Jordan Peterson thinks women who wear makeup and complain about sexual harrassment are hypocrites

What you have to understand about Jordan Peterson is he's a men's rights activist. I've followed the MRM for 10 years. Also, he is featured on A Voice For Men, run by Paul Elam, who is a virulent misogynist.

Peterson is also good buddies with the head of the Canadian MRA org CAFE.

Peterson is not brilliant. He's dumb as a post, as well as a misogynist.

Oh, sorry arran fan! I panicked there Nearly had an asthma attack just thinking about trying to breath less!

I have no idea who this guy is

That’s ok AF he has no idea who women are.

Wait...what? We gave to change the way we breathe now? How? Is that quote real??

Sorry, no - that was my parodic reductio ad absurdum but there is some nonsense that just defies parody.

I have no idea who this guy is

Wait...what? We gave to change the way we breathe now? How? Is that quote real??
Anyway, what arouses men is pretty broad and varied. Some men get aroused watching women blow up balloons. That's the work Xmas party scuppered then.
Fun sponges is right.

This expert is an idiot who doesn’t understand men!

I don’t shave my legs, i wear Bridget Jones knickers, I don’t wear make up aprt from special occasions, I never do my nails and get a hair cut once a year.

I’ve been pestered by men since I was 14 and still am at 42.

(I’m nothing special btw!)

He speak with forked tongue

I had to google who this tit is. He is a nobody.

spot on, arran!

JP: Do you think women should be allowed to breathe in a work place?

Interviewer: Yes

JP: Do you not realise just have powerfully attractive men find the almost blood heat of a woman's breath and the smooth laminar flow of her lung-warmed air as it moves past her larynx?

Interviewer: Men can find slot machines...

JP: You're being ridiculous. So many women breathe in a way that expands their chest. When they breathe and talk, they tilt their heads, and part their lips. So very alluring and provocative. Why do these things?

Interviewer: Waah..? That's how speech is produced, breath, mouth and lip shapes.

JP: What's the purpose of the chest movement in breathing? And talking in a way we interpret as Jessica Rabbit even if it isn't. If a woman speaks she's drawing attention to herself and acting as a vortex of our male gaze. Then you call that attention harassment. Hypocrites.

Interviewer: Do you feel like a serious woman who doesn’t want sexual harassment in the workplace, do you feel like if she breathes or talks in the workplace, is being somewhat hypocritical?

etc.

but ophelia called out her brother if not hamlet on his double standards when she said do not good brother show me the steep and thorny path to heaven (?) ... whilst like a puffed and reckless libertine himself the primrose path of daliance treads, and wrecks not his own reed. So Shakespeare got it even if Jordan Petersen (and Hamlet) didn't. Hamlet was presented as being in turmoil and not without flaw though!

men ive known over the years pretty much all believe that women wear makeup and nice clothes to appeal to men. they could never grasp that women wear what they like as it makes them feel good or gives them confidenxe or simply because they like what theyre wearing.

Yes. Even relatively 'feminist' men think this way in my experience. They think that women only put effort into their appearance as a way to 'compete' with other women over men - as though your average man was some sort of prize that women were desperate to win.

Yes it is v worrying that somebody with so many disciples is coming out with this view. People take his views as fact. This is scary.

Yuk, reminds me of Hamlet's nasty "God hath given you one face" get thee to a nunnery woman blaming woman hating rant. What an arse.

Sexually provocative - likely to cause someone to be sexually aroused.
But since pretty much anything can turn someone on that would suggest that existing gives someone the right to grope you then?

Ah, wait..

Oh he definitely is not the intellectual giant he thinks he is.

It's just men sulking because women won't let them have a go on them
Because women want to live life For themselves (like men get to)

Upstart Crow

I'm tired of helpless men. They are fun sponges and psychic vampires

You put that so brilliantly. Completely agree. It gets so fucking wearing really fast.

deepsolo is right - this is really down to convention. For most women now, make-up is something they feel obliged to wear to look presentable, regardless of age - in other societies and at other times, it's the men who wear make-up.

A few other points:

1. The idea that red lips and red cheeks mimic the way a woman looks during sex is just daft, isn't it? Women have worn make-up for centuries - how would they even know how they look during sex? Do they look at themselves in a mirror?

1. It completely ignores the playfulness of wearing make-up, and the enjoyment women get from different styles.

1. It ignores the social pressure on women to wear make-up.

1. It ignores the fact that older women and young girls - not in search of a sexual partner - wear make-up.

1. But most crucially, it ignores this fundamental point: even if his premise is right, and women are wearing make-up to increase their sexual attractiveness, this does not mean that women are inviting sexual harassment. The fact that a woman has made herself look attractive does not give a man the right to harass her. Almost everyone, including Peterson himself, I imagine, tries to look their best to attract a sexual partner. It doesn't mean that their body is then open to all-comers. The fact that Peterson doesn't grasp this simple and fundamental point suggests he is not the intellectual giant he imagines himself to be.

Does JP think that an appropriate way for men to approach women is by harassing them? It's as if he cant conceive of an alternative. Maybe he should revise his 12 Rules to include one about not being a dick.

I'm tired of helpless men. They are fun sponges and psychic vampires.

You can't see that?? Are you stupid? I PROVIDED YOU A LINK WHERE HE ANSWERS THAT EXACT QUESTION. Here is the direct quote for you as apparently you can't read.
I think you need anger management. How do you get on IRL when you can't discuss things without being offensive?

My mum always insisted I should put on (light) make-up for formal occasions (including job interviews), because just like a rather formal attire and brushed hair and teeth and punctuality, it demostrates respect for the people you have the interview/meeting with.

Make up has widely become just a part of formal attire, even if the roots may have been about sexual attraction (though I kind of doubt that the make up noble guys wore in the 18th century added to their attractiveness, but anyway).

Does anybody believe Theresa May or Angela Merkel wear make up in order to send sublime messages about their sexual attractiveness or availability or something? Please.