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Netflix Sabrina and Trans Character

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CrazyToast · 16/11/2018 20:26

Anyone watched Sabrina the Witch on Netflix? Its quite good. There is a character who may be trans, Susie, who appears gender neutral and is called a boy-girl, and who is happy to be called male. Nice character, fair enough. Susie is inspired by her ancestor Dorothea who dressed masculine and was a pirate. Dorothea inspires Susie to be brave. All great.

But- I am annoyed that Dorothea could easily be a female-identifying woman, straight or lesbian, who was rejecting the restrictions on her sex at the time. Not necessarily trans.

I don't have a problem with either representation but I wish it was clear what the score is. Because it isn't, I feel that it is erasing both potential identities, either as trans or as a woman pushing back against oppression.

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MotherForkinShirtBalls · 16/11/2018 21:42

I also thought Susie was simply gnc but absolutely a girl and her aunt a woman who gets shit done of her time. I agree about the hyper sexualised actions of 15/16 year old's, that's what i find very icky.

Cwenthryth · 16/11/2018 21:41

I’ve watched the whole series - I don’t remember ‘trans’ being mentioned once. Susie is gender-non conforming/presents in a masculine way a lot of the time, and is bullied and physically assaulted for that, but there is never any suggestion that she is actually not female. In fact her assault inspires them to form a women’s group. Dorothea is also clearly a woman, defying gender constraints as best she could in her own time. I was actually pleasantly surprised and pleased that the characters and their stories were featured so heavily without any doubt cast as to their sex, or that Susie might actually be trans etc.

I agree the normalisation of group sex/S&M is a bit off for a teen show, but not exactly extreme IMO, and it was all the witches getting up to sexual hijinks rather than the humans, it was clearly a different (fictional) culture. I appreciated the scene when Sabrina declined to take part in group sex but wasn’t shamed for that choice, there was no expectation on her.

IsSheWeird · 16/11/2018 21:11

In the show she appears to be a GNC girl, I only watched a couple of episodes tbf.

IsSheWeird · 16/11/2018 21:08

What difference does it make for the love of God? People irl don't fit neatly into boxes, why should characters in a TV show?

AspieAndProud · 16/11/2018 20:50

If this is a show about magic wouldn’t a trans character be able to change sex anyway? Or become a unicorn?

The trans issue has become a real world problem because the real world isn’t amenable to wishes.

Micke · 16/11/2018 20:37

I don't think she's trans - she's happy to be called 'she' for instance. She's bullied (with undercurrents of lesbophobia) by her family for dressing how half of us dressed in the 80s, back when hyper-femininity wasn't apparently considered the norm, and any girl straying for it is super-special and needs protecting.

And Dorothea - well, TBH I just read her as many women of the day, the tales of women who dressed as men to get shit done - and ignored the weird posturing of it being anything beyond that.

What I found disturbing about Sabrina is that these are supposed to be 16 year olds - high school kids, and the normalisation of extreme sexual activity - not to mention nudity from what was supposed to be a 15 year old sabrina, was over the line in my opinion.

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