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Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec

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ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 16/11/2018 08:55

It's local to me so I'm delighted!!

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applepineapple · 04/12/2018 22:03

Sad I wasn't able to meet tonight! I had double booked myself Sad would definitely be interested in joining a local group in Reading

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ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 04/12/2018 22:01

Buzzing after a brilliant meeting Grin loving your work, Anlaf!

A couple of us suggested setting up a local group in Reading (not a reading group!) and were taking names on a piece of paper, so if you missed the paper but want to get in on the action please email me :)

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MsJeminaPuddleduck · 04/12/2018 21:40

Thank you Anlaf 🍺

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/12/2018 21:00

Great stuff Anlaf Flowers

rightreckoner · 04/12/2018 20:58

Oh so disappointed. Come on Shirley Sad

Melamin · 04/12/2018 20:55

Ooh is Shirley Williams in the case?

No, it is the one of Trafford.

The one of Crosby is firmly in the libdem camp unfortunately atm.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:53

Rosa and Julian's text of speech will be on filia and WPUK website.

rightreckoner · 04/12/2018 20:53

Ooh is Shirley Williams in the case? Isn’t it interesting how older women get this shit.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:50

sarah Johnson is wearing a tremendous FEMINISM: Back by popular demand tshirt

Questions now-off the record

Melamin · 04/12/2018 20:43

You go girl! Wine

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:38

Btw my bad paraphrasing is augmented by excellent commentary from radfemlawyer and Dr em on twitter (and others!)

mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23WPUKReading&src=typeahead_click&f=live

contessa offered me a Wine but being Scottish I was at the front of the bar queue.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:34

WINE BREAK

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:31

Ruth - we persist against vicious misogyny and silencing.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:28

Baroness Williams has written excellent letter setting out need to balance between women's right s and trans people's, and for fair play in individual sports, and that single sex spaces not automatically open to those with GRC

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 04/12/2018 20:28

Thank you anlaf Flowers

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:27

Cps consulting on review hate crime legislation - sO important this covers violence against women

We must also make sure that trans rights arguments don't mean women's speech on women's issues are hate speech- for e.g. Meghan Murphy

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:24

Women's rights must be protected and exemptions in equality act to be reviewed. Chilling and silencing effect in women's sector as women under pressure to have policies which are inclusive to trans people.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:22

Ruth Serwotka of WPUK is up!

100k filled in the consultation - round of applause for us. And we have mobilised so many women- established a women's movement.

Ruth is talking about expanding on their 5 demands- and particularly free speech and right to freely assemble.

The protesters have the right to protest - but not to prevent us meeting.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:14

Denmark: went from forced sterlisation law, to self id after 6 months of self reflection and so people can then change their Id docs.

Denmark tiny, 6m people, and already seeing cases of women experiencing sexual violence from people exploiting these rules

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:12

Rosa- why is the trans lobby merging sex and gender. We and the people protesting need to find a way through this.

(Bouncer is a big fella I'm pleased to say).

Why are rights around gender ID the right to identify as a sex?

Yogiakarta (none of us can pronounce this) principles

Gender ID definition is oft 'identity of the Gender of the Gender you Id with'. But this is hard and that definition is required for e.g. inclusion in UN law.

So solution to this seems to be the rights claimed are women's rights.

Rosa mentions the forced sterilisation rules in France, Denmark etc - before someone could be given treatment/recognition.

Many of the countries that introduced self ID are those that were trying to remedy these forced sterlisation laws.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 04/12/2018 20:06

Thank you for the live commentary! I wish I didn't live at the other end of the country.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:04

(Bouncer stomped off to door - we all look round. Perhaps the protesters have found the top secret venue)

JellySlice · 04/12/2018 20:03

Noises outside.

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 20:02

Protecting women paved the way to protect other groups -children or people with disabilities for e.g.

And we have laws -tools - that allow us to lobby for change on the ground.

In intemational human rights law, woman is defined as biological sex. (And Rosa is writing a paper on this)

Now April Ashley- married a high society man, and could not consummate the marriage. So court looked at whether she was not a woman, or her husband/parnter could not consummate the marriage.

Court decided sex is genitalia, gonads, biology and Rosa says read the case on press for change website, good summary

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 19:58

Countries got together and drafted the 70 year old this week universal declaration of human rights

But lawyers and idealists didn't bother to protect protected characteristics - we're all humans!

But even if states signed up, women got treated badly (interestingly some Communist states didn't sign up)

So the UN adopted treaty on eliminating ALL forms of discrimination against women

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