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Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec

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ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 16/11/2018 08:55

It's local to me so I'm delighted!!

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-at-the-bar-tickets-52641760924?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&aff=escb&utm-source=cp&utm-term=listing

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ContessaHallelujahSparklehorse · 05/12/2018 23:36

In retrospect I'm quite glad that kindly MNetters offered me a lift home - waiting at the bus stop 100m from the venue might have been a bit of a dim move!!

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ShotsFired · 05/12/2018 21:43

Their first post says "silent vigil".

What the hell kind of education are these kids getting if they can't even understand what "silent"means? Daft little oddbods.

R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 20:20

thread re protestors & their supporters:
twitter.com/JammersMinde/status/1070305529925378049

GreenHats · 05/12/2018 20:17

Yes Kay I'd parked in Broad St car park, it's not nice at night, I thought I'd got past being so jumpy about being followed it was an awfully long time ago but I guess the effects of male violence last for ever Sad and there's always a new lot of violent males ready to start intimidating women as soon as they come of age Angry

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 05/12/2018 20:11

We were lucky at the Bath meeting in November. The protesters there were faintly preposterous though Maria McLachlan was understandably a bit nervous.

GreenHats · 05/12/2018 20:06

Quite, according to them SWERFS can get fucked, guess that's so they retain their ability to fuck (rape) a trafficked 'sex worker'/slave

KayM2 · 05/12/2018 19:59

That's awful! The walk to the Broad Street car park ( was it that one?) was not very nice, and it was nearly empty.

rightreckoner · 05/12/2018 19:58

The only group of people those silly boys target on their title page - apart from rich people - is feminists. TERFS and SWERFS get fucked. Women get fucked. They have no awareness of how their misogyny betrays itself.

And it amazes me that any man has the brazen lack of shame to call anyone a SWERF. It’s basically saying - how dare you deny my right to buy a woman?

Oh and boys - please could you use your Communist credentials to describe in clear terms exactly why prostitution is good but capitalism is bad ? Is it that capitalism won’t let you in to your rightful place at the top table because you are just students but at least you can still buy a woman while you wait to bring down capitalism (unless you manage to make loads of money and decide to keep capitalism going after all?)

GreenHats · 05/12/2018 19:43

That small group of boys outside the meeting last night are old enough to be abusive. They were enjoying themselves thinking themselves intimidatingly. And they were, I walked past knowing no one, they were the age of my son, I'm the same age as their mothers. As I walked back to my car parked in an unfamiliar car park I noticed a young man keeping pace with me, I stopped and moved to one side, he stopped just past me and looked at a bus timetable. I walked on, he walked on. I'm not tall, men with their height advantage don't tend to walk at the same pace.

Possibly coincidence, and he was trying to find a bus, I hadn't looked at the protesters closely so no idea if he was part of that group or someone passing. But when I was the age those boys were I had my first experience of being stalked by a boy their age I'd brieflÅ· dated. At the end of the day he'd come up to me and tell me everywhere I'd been that day. So as a result I got better at losing someone following me. I then had to go into that deserted car park, find the machine to pay and walk across to my car the opposite of the floor.

By the time I got home I was too hyped on adrenaline to sleep.
So whether that was a man was following me because I'd been in that meeting or it was coincidence doesn't matter. Those abusive young men half succeeded in what they wanted to do which was intimidate us, I was scared. They also wanted to scare us into giving up and that won't work. This was the first time I've been to a WP meeting but It won't be the last, that fear and how royally pissed off I am today at being scared is going to make me more determined.

If these young men have to resort to trying to scare ordinary women their mothers age out of talking to other women about human rights law and how it applies to them they are most certainly not on the right side

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 05/12/2018 14:51

Pineapple - yes - this is exactly it

PineappleSunrise · 05/12/2018 13:45

That thread from the student anarchist protesters is really telling - look at how polite they are to the man who schools them on Marxism, and how rude to the women who do. I bet it was entirely subconscious and they didn't even realise they were doing it.

God, I've been seeing this dynamic playing out for decades now and it never, ever changes.

R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 11:26

Re Ereshkigal's post above.

Prof Freedman Twitter comment from last night:
THREAD: The excellent @ WomansPlaceUK have put on many meetings in the last year to discuss women’s rights, and tonight I had the great privilege of speaking at one of those meetings. We discussed the law relating to sex & to gender identity. In many ways it was uplifting to be

part of that meeting. I am a Professor of Law, tenured, protected in terms of being able to speak in a respectful manner based on specific evidence, and supported to undertake research on topical and timely issues. That has not protected me from the harassment & abuse dished out

by the transactivist lobby. This week I picked up my post & received three more hard copy letters (separate to the daily emails I now receive) from staff and students at universities in the UK and beyond who are scared to express their views for fear of stigmatisation. This week

I found my office door covered in urine, including some that had seeped under the door, and I spent time cleaning it up because I could not bear the smell or the shame of what had happened. Last week I discovered criminal damage explicitly encouraging me to leave the University

because of my views that a woman is defined by law as biological not psychological. I have been attacked and vilified personally and professionally on social media by a senior Professor at another University who keeps threatening me with action (legal and/or re my employer), and

have had my reputation spuriously and perniciously smeared by the local LGBT charity who seems to have provided the University with wrongful advice on the trans policy (thankfully it can and ought to be changed) and academics spearheaded by @ natachakennedy at Goldsmiths (an

institution that is not a leading light on women's rights). Tonight I met other academics who are being harassed in their workplace for setting out views based on specific evidence (i.e. doing their jobs). We all go to work to do our jobs -- and we are pretty damn good at doing

the research, educating, & administration that comes with the job -- yet we are being demonised, harassed, and targeted for expressing opinions based on the expertise for which we were hired and for why we are revered. This evening I was followed by students on campus, and ended

up hiding behind trees because I was scared for my physical safety. I have been open about being a survivor of sexual violence, despite which young male-bodied persons have seen fit to abuse me verbally about rape or to follow me in the dark into secluded spaces. It is now 3.30am

and someone / some people are continuously calling my phone from an anonymous number, & when I answer I am laughed at and told that I am a ‘TERF’ who ‘should be raped and killed’. If this is how a University Professor is treated, little wonder that women who work in jobs without

protection regarding academic enquiry – e;g; factories, shops, schools, restaurants, hospitals, and beyond (where there are fewer / no protections in place in employment contracts and policies) -- feel unable to speak up to protect women’s rights. Welcome to 2018, where people

have drunk the Kool Aid, or are looking to make a career on the back of the Kool Aid, or are just looking for a reason to bully and berate women who speak up (particularly those with expertise). [Good night]

Postscript: I think universities ought to consider sending communications to students & staff about appropriate behaviour. Peaceful protest is a legitimate part of freedom of expression. Harassment and abuse ought never to be tolerated. Employers have a duty of care to employees"
threader.app/thread/1070158128837246977

As others have already done, its a good/important idea to send letter /email to both Prof Freedman & University of Reading

LangCleg · 05/12/2018 09:39

Posh boys, you know, this behaviour is a red flag that you'll go on to be a domestic violence perpetrator when you're older? Nothing anarchist about it, you are ENTIRELY CONFORMING to capitalism's socialisation of boys and men, you are utterly middle of the road conformers.

Girlscout so on the money with that. Here, woman-protesting, MN-stalking, sexist arseholes - look at this picture. That's you, that is.

Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec
Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 09:29

"You're the UKIP of gender"

PMSL on the train Grin

heresyandwitchcraft · 05/12/2018 09:25

LOL at the protestors. Choice quotes:
"Shame" (proper Game of Thrones!) and "You're the UKIP of gender"
Really had to try SO hard not to start howling with laughter.

Comparing the nature of trans activist protests with women's protests is interesting to me.

So when women met for Linda and Venice, the banners were pointed outwards, aimed at onlookers. Date and time were clearly communicated. The protest was not intended to intimidate the people in the court or the complainant, just raise awareness and show support. Women made sure there was ample space for easy access to and from the building. Nobody covered their face, there were kids running around, there was the chatter of women talking but it was otherwise pretty quiet.

Women for women. Peaceful and pleasant.

Contrast this with transactivists... They spent ages hunting down the women who had the temerity to meet about law and human rights, featuring very esteemed speakers. Trans activists deliberately placed themselves right by the entrance, held the banners towards the venue specifically, it appears, to harass women leaving. They shouted, banged the door, and seemed to want to barge in to disrupt proceedings? All of them were masked, as far as I could tell. And then they decide to post a photo on Twitter with their faces blurred out in order to prove that they were there... so that other women don't get any ideas that we live in a democracy and have freedom of conscience, speech and assembly to calmly discuss the law of the country...............

Transactivists protesting has a whole different flavour. It was hostile, felt designed to control and intimidate the women in the meeting. It felt like... well... male rage, if I'm honest.

I've said this a million times: when your "enemy" is predominantly ordinary women of all sorts (lesbians, feminists, mothers, sometimes all these and more wrapped up in one package!), then something has gone horribly wrong in your thinking.

Ereshkigal · 05/12/2018 09:16

Please show support for Rosa

Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3443107-Shocking-bullying-of-gender-critical-law-professor-Rosa-Freedman

ShotsFired · 05/12/2018 09:01

They don't seem to worry much about transmen. How unusual.

Girl Scout makes some very pertinent observations on their tweet (oh christ look at them with their little Russian bio - such anarchy!):

@GirlScout27
В отговор до @UoR_CAS @181UK
Anarchy would be admitting that feminine males are still males, that would really require 'the MAN' to concede something. Instead I bet you all take the clothes you are wearing here for you mum to wash when you go home for the Christmas holidays. Pathetic.

@GirlScout27
В отговор до @UoR_CAS @181UK
Posh boys, you know, this behaviour is a red flag that you'll go on to be a domestic violence perpetrator when you're older? Nothing anarchist about it, you are ENTIRELY CONFORMING to capitalism's socialisation of boys and men, you are utterly middle of the road conformers.

applepineapple · 05/12/2018 08:53

Thanks Contessa. Will PM you now

AncientLights · 05/12/2018 08:48

I hope the protestors' grammar might have improved before the next tweet - 'there wasn't any protestors'. No dear, protestors is plural so needs a plural verb: there weren't any protestors. Do they do remedial English at Reading uni?

GreenHats · 05/12/2018 08:40

I reported their twitter profile text to twitter as containing hateful words.

KayM2 · 05/12/2018 07:42

That group is a danger to no-one but Communists and Anarchists.

rightreckoner · 05/12/2018 07:18

Nice comments on that anarchist thread.

Fair warms the cockles it does. Smile

heresyandwitchcraft · 05/12/2018 01:16

Massive thanks to WPUK, the phenomenal speakers, the venue, and the lovely attendees. Flowers

Anlaf · 04/12/2018 23:53

Oh lads (this plus a lass that'd joined the massed bandits was what we faced leaving the venue)

mobile.twitter.com/UoR_CAS/status/1070041195412422656

Women's Place event in Reading - 4th Dec
WSPU · 04/12/2018 23:47

It was brilliant; so informative, respectful and good fun too. Venue was great, good food even and fantastic speakers. Thanks to all the organisers and a special hello to all the mumsnetters I met.

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