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Aimee Challenor interview on Disability Arts

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StarsAndWater · 16/11/2018 07:29

Interesting interview on Disability Arts online with Aimee Challenor about being trans and autistic, and the supposed barriers put up for autistic people.
A number of of reasonably sensible quotes from NHS England, I thought but they're dismissed fairly quickly in the article.
Still, it's good to see that doctors are aware of autism as a correlating factor and taking this into account even if they're being put under pressure not to.
They also mention Aimee's history with the greens but nothing to do with the reason for Aimee's suspension.
I guess they either didn't google Aimee before publishing, or are dismissing it.
disabilityarts.online/blog-youre-not-trans-youre-autistic

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Danaquestionseverything · 16/11/2018 13:29

I've seen seen a few of Lily's posts. I was unaware she is autistic. If so, yes, would be an excellent advocate.

Grauniad · 16/11/2018 13:28

My autistic qualities have lessened a bit. I still have bad days. I’m still very peculiar about certain things. I still don’t like sudden changes. But overall, now that I’ve been able to be myself, I find it a lot easier to manage

I found that interesting for a different reason. I used to hang out a lot on various autism and Asperger's websites, and someone there mentioned that moving to a different country had immensely helped their autistic DS -- not because he became more NT, but because suddenly everyone accepted his differences and communication struggles as being perfectly normal in an inexperienced English kid still trying to learn the language.

I wonder if there's something similar going on in some autistic children who transition -- everyone makes allowances for them, they can relax, and the anxiety about social bloomers diminishes, at least temporarily?

Needmoresleep · 16/11/2018 13:27

First I find it interesting that Aimee does not mention her role on Stonewall's hugely influential Trans-committee. Their policy form the basis of advice given to just about everyone, including the police, govenment, schools, major employers and so on. Very impressive for a 20 year old.

And regardless of Aimee's background/diagnosis I think there is a useful question about the use of the NHS and the NHS's interest in in someones overall MH and their Neurotypicality. The clue with the NHS is the H. It stands for health. I assume the NHS is involved because gender dysmorphia is seen as a mental issue. If I want teeth whitening or a boob job I pay for them myself as the need for either is not a health issue.

If a health professional sees a teenager who wants to embark on a life time of (expensive) hormones and surgery they need to scratch below the surface. Pink brain and feelz are not enough. Is the gender dysmorphia a sympton or the cause, is there contagion etc.

So as I read it Aimee want the NHS to treat her, but thinks it is wrong that they look into her mental health and diagnostic background. I would not like to be her specialist, given her access to the media and her influence over policy.

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 16/11/2018 13:25

Surely they could have found a Trans Autistic (Autistic Trans? so hard to guess what phrases are offensive or not) person without such a controversial background

What? Like Lily Maynard?

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 16/11/2018 13:24

Aimee and her mother both used David Challenor as their agents.

She stood for Binley & Willenhall Ward in Coventry in the elections on May 3rd this year and she used her husband as her electoral agent.

After she referred to her husband's 10 year old victim as a "lying little slut".

The Green Party needs to take a long hard look at how it selects candidates for parliamentary and local elections.

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Aimee Challenor interview on Disability Arts
Danaquestionseverything · 16/11/2018 13:17

I'm a far outside observer. IMO Aimee has had what could be described at the bare minimum as a less than ideal childhood. The behaviour the father exhibited (trying to tread carefully here) is not something that is a random occurrence. That level of abuse takes time to reach, there will be many instances to slowly build up to that.

Frankly, the mother has had some questionable behaviour. Which may explain the involvement of social services. Some of what I've read on the internet is really concerning, if true, there appears to be shades of MBP.

Imagine the nightmare childhood of for want of better phrase is MBP meets paedophile (eggshells but what other name is there for someone charged and convicted of CSA).

As much as Aimee's behaviour is frustrating. I can't help but feel sympathy for what I suspect is a very damaged child deep down. Do not mistake this as defence or justification of her behaviour. We know that many children subjected to abuse fight to move on from it and have fulfilling lives, some go on to try and prevent what happened to them from happening to any other child.

But the hard question, is how do we prevent the child so well groomed, from continuing the cycle? How?

Still all the above said. Why with such easy access to the internet, a google would reveal so much, was Aimee selected as what it essentially a spokesperson for Autism? Surely they could have found a Trans Autistic (Autistic Trans? so hard to guess what phrases are offensive or not) person without such a controversial background.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/11/2018 13:08

Worth noting that the article is open to comments.

QuietContraryMary · 16/11/2018 13:06

I think it's worth noting that Aimee & Dad are being investigated at the very highest level, in the form of the Westminster child abuse inquiry.

So this is no just some random downtrodden teen.

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Datun · 16/11/2018 12:33

TRAs getting enraged because people are able to read and speculate on what they have read, is just another demonstration of the wheels coming off.

They don't understand that for everyone posting there are hundreds reading. Watching how women are being censored and silenced is fanning the flames of gender critical feminism more than anything else has ever done.

I know it's frustrating to be deleted, but it's actually demonstrative of a far more positive phenomenon that it appears.

QuietContraryMary · 16/11/2018 12:18

"While it's fine to discuss this interview Aimee Challenor has given, we don't think it's fair to call into question anyone's diagnosis of autism."

The point here is given Aimee's very extensive social media and campaigning history that the particular narrative being pushed in this article is one that you would expect to find some history of in their umpteen thousand previous posts.

Serfisafleur · 16/11/2018 12:02

Why was my post delete. Aimee has proudly shown off wearing nappies and has described themself as an "adult baby" and "furry" fetishist.
Aimee is clearly an individual with a whole host of worrying paraphilias. They do actually publicly show off these paraphilias too. I did not post any untruths. Ludicrous deletions.

HebeMumsnet · 16/11/2018 11:53

Morning, everyone. Just popping in to say that we've had to make quite a few deletions on this thread. While it's fine to discuss this interview Aimee Challenor has given, we don't think it's fair to call into question anyone's diagnosis of autism. We've also deleted some posts that have speculate on the case surrounding Aimee's father and Aimee's childhood.

We would like the thread to be able to remain so please do think carefully before posting. If we have to delete many more posts here we will probably end up having to take the whole thread down, which would be a shame.

Thanks for your help.

Gileswithachainsaw · 16/11/2018 11:32

Wtf

If a picture can go on social media how can mentioning said picture get me deleted

Seriously

QuietContraryMary · 16/11/2018 11:30

Looks like this thread has been gutted like a fish.

Shame that Aimee is able to push this nonsense about autistic children and no commentary on it is allowed.

MoltenLasagne · 16/11/2018 10:37

Yet another reason why transitioning is just Eugenics 2.0. It "cures" gay children by turning them into straight adults, and now according to GIRES it "cures" autistic people too.

No amount of future law suits will reverse mass sterilisation and I hope everyone pushing this will be held accountable.

Mumfun · 16/11/2018 10:30

This is a deeply troubled person. Who also does not have the maturity or ability to fulfil a public role. It verges on abuse to push them into the public spotlight. But is useful to someone and it gives attention to them which is obviously welcomed. So it keeps on happening.

OrchidInTheSun · 16/11/2018 10:19

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Datun · 16/11/2018 09:57

My autistic qualities have lessened a bit. I still have bad days. I’m still very peculiar about certain things. I still don’t like sudden changes. But overall, now that I’ve been able to be myself, I find it a lot easier to manage.”

GIRES actually write in their blurb that transitioning can cure autism.

I don't know if it's just a ploy to explain how many autistic people might be transgender, or a recruitment technique.

RudolphsJinglingBalls · 16/11/2018 09:43

My child accessed gender identity services and also has an official diagnosis of ASD. Not once was the autism raised as an issue or concern until I said that I knew it was part of the problem as he had always felt like he had lacked an identity. He always loved halloween as he could hide behind a mask and he was like a totally different person. But I had to fight like hell to get sertraline as they were offering hormones instead. I said NO. He is fine now, perfectly secure in his own body and is a happy gay man with a lovely partner.

PurpleOva · 16/11/2018 09:31

I really don't understand why trans teens who clearly aren't ready are being given public roles of high status.

Give these kids a chance to grow up and pay their dues.

Is it any wonder they seem to have a different grasp on reality to the rest of us? How many teens get to be the head of anything, other than school or uni groups?

She is still seriously young. I don't know much about her or her family mind you, I only live across the sea, but sometimes it feels like another galaxy!

QuietContraryMary · 16/11/2018 08:51

Sorry re

"So the NHS say its bollocks. Who should we trust. The lovely lady who employed a child rapist, or Aimee?"

I meant

"So the NHS say its bollocks. Who should we trust. The lovely Aimee, who employed a child rapist, or the NHS?"

AspieAndProud · 16/11/2018 08:51

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Serfisafleur · 16/11/2018 08:47

Autism here will be another measure (like the trans identity) to but them in the "very vulnerable, harmless, most at risk of harm" category.