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"Believe in innate gender or else - say the police". Jonny Best's latest article

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kesstrel · 15/11/2018 18:17

Really clear and well-argued.

I thought this bit was especially telling:

The publication of the trans tool kit illustrates the risks to all organisations which choose to rely on Stonewall for advice on transgender issues. The police have stumbled into a complex area which they appear not to properly understand — and Stonewall is not telling its client organisations the whole story.

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/believe-in-innate-gender-or-else-say-the-police-4237baf692da

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DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 16/11/2018 07:14

Excellent article. Thank you, Mr Best.

Blackburn can fuck off with the rest of the woke bros and their hurty feelz bullshit.

Danaquestionseverything · 16/11/2018 03:23

It's frightening. Still I will never be compelled to state something I don't believe.

howard97A · 16/11/2018 03:02

It looks as though Stonewall, through their manipulation of policing policy, want to make it hate-speech for a woman to say that sharing a changing room with men makes her afraid.

howard97A · 16/11/2018 02:47

According to the CPS prosecution guidance hatred is manifested in ‘hostility’, which includes ‘ill-will, ill-feeling, spite, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment, and dislike’.

So on what basis have the police included 'fear' in their definition of 'transphobia'?

NotMeOhNo · 16/11/2018 00:06

It means that same-sex spaces are transphobic.

BlackForestCake · 15/11/2018 23:19

Most disturbing is that the police are acting as if they are the ones who decide what the law is. They aren't.

theOtherPamAyres · 15/11/2018 23:02

There is the beginning of a 'reverse ferret' on that Trans toolkit, particularly on 'definitions'

twitter.com/JonnnyBest/status/1063164308698337282

Now, the LBGT police advisers just need to overhaul the rest of it Grin

NewWomensMovement · 15/11/2018 21:52

Great article.

SlipperyLizard · 15/11/2018 21:21

Excellent work, and truly terrifying that either the police accepted the text without bothering to read it properly, or read it but didn’t actually understand that to have a “hate crime” there must first be a crime.

Either way they don’t come out looking good.

WineGummyBear · 15/11/2018 20:14

Awesome work again Jonny.

Popchyk · 15/11/2018 20:05

I am going to respectfully suggest that Mr. Blackburn has allowed Stonewall to do all the writing and he intended to ride in and take all the credit.

Shame he didn't read it first.

And have a think about the law.

Stonewall's strategy is always to target someone promoted above their competence, flatter them with the "you're so awesome, here's an sparkly award, shucks let us write the report" schtick.

And these self-aggrandising idiots don't even realise that they are being played.

That's what happened with Maria Miller during the Transgender Enquiry Committee, I'm sure of it.

happydappy2 · 15/11/2018 20:04

So if I as a woman challenge a male person in the womens changing room, & that person claims they are trans, can I demand they leave or is that a hate crime because I don’t accept their identity? This is bonkers.

MrsWinkly · 15/11/2018 20:00

Great piece Jonny (as always).

Ambitious definition of transphobia - how are they going to police our thoughts?
Is this what the nice student body meant when they said we needed to go to the Gulags for re-education? Wrong-think, it's a crime.

Popchyk · 15/11/2018 19:50

Superintendent Clinton Blackburn on Twitter, saying:

"There was an error in the Guidance glossary, which has now been ammended. All forces have been asked to update accordingly. We are sorry if this has caused any distress- it certainly wasn't intended"

twitter.com/SuptBlackburn/status/1063103458922913794

Doesn't say what the error was. He doesn't seem to do detail, this guy.

Looks like the definition of transphobia has changed though.

It was:

The fear or dislike of someone based on their being trans, including the denial/refusal to accept their gender identity. Any incidence of transphobia; any form of prejudice or hatred towards a person because of their actual or perceived transgender is considered a transgender hate crime.

It is now:

The fear or dislike of someone based on their being trans, including the denial/refusal to accept their gender identity.

So the hate crime bit has gone. But they've left the whole "denial/refusal to accept their gender identity" bit. Which is, as we all know, nonsense.

Hulo · 15/11/2018 19:50

Hmph. Maybe we should all turn ourselves in

Shiklah · 15/11/2018 19:48

Is this to try and stop women protesting because they are so afraid of being searched?

UpstartCrow · 15/11/2018 19:36

They were a bit non-plussed but mumbled about rights and a case by case basis.

And thats how Karen White got away with it.

happydappy2 · 15/11/2018 19:34

Stonewall are a charity so focused on money they don’t care where it comes from. They have become a mens rights organisation that clearly has NO respect for lesbians (or women in general) The fact they can’t see that womens fears about trans ideology are valid, speaks volumes, they are blinkered & quite frankly not fit to be advising anyone.

Laceythesheep · 15/11/2018 19:33

I asked some police today about traumatised women who didnt want a man who said he was a woman searching them. They were a bit non-plussed but mumbled about rights and a case by case basis.

1MillionSelfiesTakenByMyKids · 15/11/2018 19:30

Well that is the million dollar question isn't it?

scepticalwoman · 15/11/2018 19:29

What a chilling development.

deepwatersolo · 15/11/2018 19:14

Great article! So are Stonewall bad faith actors, who kowingly deceive to further an agenda and try to establish facts, or are they just out of their depth?

goodthinking99 · 15/11/2018 19:10

I cannot thank Jonny, Doc S etc. ENOUGH...I told you my mind is boggled Blush

theOtherPamAyres · 15/11/2018 19:06

Every single Chief Constable, Police and Crime Commissioner and LBGT Diversity unit in the police service needs to have that article placed underneath their noses.

Doobigetta · 15/11/2018 19:03

Great article, thanks Jonny. I’m meeting my MP tomorrow and am going to lead with recent police pronouncements, in particular about transwomen and non-binary males being allowed to conduct intimate searches of women. I’ll be taking a copy of your article with me.

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