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The Vagina Monologues 'excludes some women'

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Juells · 15/11/2018 15:55

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2018/11/emu_group_ends_the_vagina_mono.html

The WRC announced its decision in an email, which came after the center evaluated responses from a survey. Survey respondents opposing the production consistently indicated they were concerned that the play centers on cisgender women, that the play's version of feminism excludes some women, including trans women, and that overall, "The Vagina Monologue" lacks diversity and inclusion.

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StarsAndWater · 15/11/2018 17:18

This pretty much sums up so much of the problem with misogyny in the trans movement.
Even something where the subject is all about vaginas isn't allowed because it doesn't include people with penises.

howard97A · 15/11/2018 17:15

Can anyone tell me how 'minoritized' scores on the oppression scale? Is it higher than 'marginalized', or lower, or exactly the same?
I'd hate to use the word wrongly and discover that I'd accidentally erased someone. (Or should that be 'annihilated' ? ... )

nellieellie · 15/11/2018 17:09

Well, this dates back to 2013. Also the playwright herself says that she isn’t saying all women have vaginas, even wrote an additional trans piece for the play. Bit of a shame, but she makes good points about the need to show how women’s biology is used against them, hence play is still relevant. www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/16/vagina-monologues-eve-ensler-rejects-mount-holyoke-college-claims-reductionist-exclusive

vesuvia · 15/11/2018 17:08

"American University's Women's Initiative chose to change the event to the "Breaking Ground Monologues" in an effort to "broaden the focus from specifically female genitalia to multiple identities and bodies.""

That seems exclusionary of women who have a vagina but do not have a "breaking ground" (whatever body part that is supposed to be). Wink

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 15/11/2018 17:04

Please ban The Postman Always Rings Twice because my postman never rings at all and I feel really hurt by that. Why is my postman excluding me? I bet he rings all the neighbours, the assbut.

Juells · 15/11/2018 16:58

I can't get over the sheer fucking wokeness of thinking that there was a reason to hold a survey in the first place! Who did they think was going to respond?

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ProfessoressWoland · 15/11/2018 16:55

ThreeWheeler Do I get a prize, I really need a prize because right now, if my vagina could talk, it would say "if you ever make me watch that again, I'm leaving you"
Whoa, enough of this genital-based centering. I bet you think that The Vagina Monologues is about... vaginas? Hmm

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/11/2018 16:53

Winter, spring, summer autumn’s tale.

The merry cohabitees of Windsor

The taming of the shrew, weasel, gannet... hauls out taxonomy textbook.

Melamin · 15/11/2018 16:52

Threewheeler1 GinWineCake

You deserve it!

Bowlofbabelfish · 15/11/2018 16:51

The tempest is out. Massively unfair to clement conditions...

GCAcademic · 15/11/2018 16:48

Coming soon to a university campus near you, a brave, stunning production of The Front Hole Monologues.

MrsWinkly · 15/11/2018 16:45

Upstart
Grin

UpstartCrow · 15/11/2018 16:43

I did think I had lost my vagina once but it turned out I had put my pants on back to front.

(that'll confuse the fuckers).

Juells · 15/11/2018 16:43

maybe they're worried about excluding women who've lost their vagina in an accident...

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breastfeedingclownfish · 15/11/2018 16:41

RiverTam

I think we can all have sympathy for those who have lost their vagina in an accident. Like that Billy Connolly clip where he checks that he hasn't lost his willy, maybe we should all check, you know, before we go out in the morning, just to make sure we haven't lost our vaginas

VickyEadie · 15/11/2018 16:39

You know that Matthew Bourne Swan Lake, which has an entirely male cast...

D'you think any of the TRAs are likely to go gunning for it? No, neither do I.

Popchyk · 15/11/2018 16:37

So sorry you had to go through that, Bad. Coercive and violent erasure right there in plain sight. Have you thought of suing the Local Education Authority? I know someone who identifies as a lawyer who could help you.

I had a similar experience watching Peterloo at the cinema yesterday. As someone living in the 21st century I felt entirely excluded from the plot that was set in the 19th century. I mean how hard it is to do flashbacks to include modern-day folks?

History will judge that fucking Mike Leigh.

MrsWinkly · 15/11/2018 16:33

Badstyley
I don't blame you. You were totally in the right. Hope, going forward, that the nasty, mean bigots have learnt their lesson. You should put it all over Facebook, Twitter, make a Youtube film about your struggles and maybe set up a Crowdfunder for your long-term recovery...Grin

MrsWinkly · 15/11/2018 16:29

Melamin
I made it. It was toe curling.
Do I get a prize, I really need a prize because right now, if my vagina could talk, it would say "if you ever make me watch that again, I'm leaving you" Grin

Badstyley · 15/11/2018 16:28

The last school play DS was in they were all dressed up as rain forest animals, I felt so excluded and erased after that performance. When DS asked if I liked it I just burst into tears and told him how selfish and bigoted they were, and how unsafe they’d made me feel. They didn’t even have a trigger warning at the beginning. I had no choice but to complain to the school and have all the teachers and staff involved with the play sacked.

MrsWinkly · 15/11/2018 16:21

Popchyk
Two Gentlemalecisgenderpeople of Verona
Grin
How it rolleth off the tongue.
We should 'woke' up the entire works of Shakespeare.

Popchyk · 15/11/2018 16:20

Free Willy is surely problematic.

Melamin · 15/11/2018 16:18

Melamin Oh god. I've had to pause it half way in for a breather.

You are doing better than me - I have never got through the whole thing.
(Jess is still suspended from the NUS, by the way - the 28 day process is a bit long Hmm )

MrsWinkly · 15/11/2018 16:18

lunamoth581
Similarly, I'm fucking livid about the Lion King - I'm not a lion or a king, how am I even supposed to understand it? Fucking selfish feline carnivore bastards!

Popchyk · 15/11/2018 16:18

I must confess that I am fearing for future productions of Two Gentlemalecisgenderpeople of Verona.

I am off to the RSC to call them out.