Male police officers can intimately search women. New guidance

time to contact our police and crime commissioners! www.apccs.police.uk/find-your-pcc/

"PCCs have been elected by the public to hold Chief Constables and the force to account, effectively making the police answerable to the communities they serve."

about time they were useful for something

Enter the Trans Equality Legal Initiative.

www.teli.org.uk/

Who are actively looking for test cases.

Jess Bradley was a founder. Jess Bradley, the NUS Trans Officer, currently suspended for public masturbation.

Jess Bradley had very expensive legal representation who tried to use the Cliff Richard ruling to gag the press from reporting on the whole business.

The Daily Mail reported it anyway, including the fact that the lawyers tried to stop the story.

Daily Mail link

No, there won't be 'a raft of lawsuits' because no one can afford to bring them. Legal aid isn't available for this sort of thing any more.

Well, given that there are more men who commit crime than women, then there will be more male transgender offenders than female transgender offenders. Obviously.

So this will disproportionally affect female officers if they are going to be instructed to search fully-intact male transgender people.

Male officers having to search fully-intact female people will be a much rarer occurrence. But with its own issues of course.

Police are going to have a raft of lawsuits both from officers forced to search a member of the opposite sex and from offenders upset at someone of the "wrong sex" searching them.

They absolutely need to get on top of this.

I have been a police officer and have had to carry out strip searches on women in custody. Although I never touched them (because you're not supposed to) the whole process is still deeply humiliating to the detainee - think having to bend over and part your buttocks so that the police officer can look up your bum for drugs. I and all the other female officers used to absolutely hate it. We would get it over and done with as quickly as possible and then apologise to the woman for how undignified it was.

Anyone who actively wants to carry out a strip search for whatever reason is deeply suspect and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near women who have placed in such a vulnerable situation.

They'll just declare themselves gender-fluid.

That will cover all the angles.

Don't want to search repeat offender Betty who is in her sixties and has a body odour problem? Well, you can't anyway because you identify as a man that day.

Don't want to search 20 stone Trevor who has a history of assaulting police officers? Sorry, can't. Identify as a woman at that point.

Want to search an 18 year old female? Well, of course you can because you identify as a woman on that day.

To the people whose response is that no policeman would 'go as far' as to self-id as a woman in order to do this - if self-id becomes law, they don't have to go very "far" at all, in fact they don't even have to change their appearance one iota - just declare themselves a woman.

And given the post by PainInTheEar above, self-id is already being taken as good enough by West Yorks police.

I know it's only tangentially connected to the thread but

Joani Walsh
‏*@joaniwalshi*
Just had a response from West Yorkshire Police double confirming they record offenders by self-ID. So Karen White's crimes will go down as female.

God, that article.

BBC link

Some lowlights:

"PC Ian Naude, 30, joined Cheshire Constabulary "to gain the keys to a sweetshop" through access to potential victims, Liverpool Crown Court heard."

"It has emerged Naude was already being investigated for sex offences when he became a student officer in April 2017."

"Cheshire Constabulary said Naude had passed the vetting process in October 2016 but that allegations of sex offences being investigated by two neighbouring forces in early 2017 did not get picked up."

And the police then sent him details of their investigation into him:

"Naude deleted more than 750 photos from his phone after an "administrative error" meant he had been copied into emails relating to the police investigation into his conduct".

"Cheshire Det Ch Supt Aaron Duggan said Naude "joined police intentionally to commit this type of offending".

But this never happens, right? People never seek positions which give them access to commit offences.

Cheshire Police constable Ian Naude, 30, has been found guilty at Liverpool Crown Court of the rape and sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl.

A paedophile who joined the police as a way to identify and gain access to victims.

If a corrupt male officer wanted to take advantage of vulnerable women there would be far easier ways than identifying as female and hoping on that odd occasion a woman needs searching in custody they are on duty and available, and all that effort just to look at a naked woman?

If this actually comes to pass, will the amount of searches increase, after all the police don't really need to justify why they searched a person. I mean yeah they need a reason but I am sure they can think of something.
And yes to a crowdfunder when needed.

BBC North West @BBCNWT
Cheshire Police constable Ian Naude, 30, has been found guilty at Liverpool Crown Court of the rape and sexual assault of a 13-year-old girl.

GOOD

Has this been in the press yet?

It's like getting White Police Officers' Association (if there was such a thing) to draw up all policies on community relations.

This is what you get when a public body outsources trans policies to its LBGT people in the organisation.

Those LBGT diversity units, togather with the TransPoliceAlliance and the National Police Chiefs LBGT leaders, always focus on the needs of those that they represent. Other affected groups aren't even considered.

This is not the way to make a policy or even a toolkit.

Now, when I see that guidance has come from LBGT, with Stonewall acting as consultants, and using phrases like 'assigned gender at birth", I already know that the guidance will put at risk women's privacy, dignity and rights to separate sex provision.

LBGT units are in danger of losing credibility. They need to step back.
The LBGT in policing needs to step right back - it's not their place to define transphobia in a way that cuts across the public's right to reject an ideology/belief system.

Get the LBGT out of policy making.

Sarah Brown has had a thing about this for years - about a decade.

Are you serious? Do you have links?

There is no positive interpretation of the motive there, is there? I can see someone who simply doesn't give a shit about women, giving the advice that transwomen cops should be allowed to strip search female prisoners, who the fuck cares what the women think about it, they're just props anyway aren't they?

But to repeatedly make a point about it without anyone asking you? POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ENJOY STRIP SEARCHES. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A JOB PERK. NOBODY SHOULD BE LOBBYING FOR THEIR RIGHT TO STRIP SEARCH ANYBODY.

And it's almost more disturbing that Sarah Brown apparently didn't realise the implications of focusing on something like that, and how it looks to other people.

And more disturbing even than that is that nobody in the last ten years ever said "fuck off, you disgusting creepy old pervert" and chased Sarah out of politics for this.

And where the police lead, others will follow, such as security checks at airports and big venues; security and customs checks at the border (and they definitely do cavity checks, though I think it's medical professionals observed by border officers) etc etc

And what about where female rape victims undergo examination by a police doctor? a) What's to stop the police doctor identifying as a woman? And b) what's to stop the police officer who observes the examination identifying as a woman?

this all makes me feel a bit sick, TBH

Did anyone notice that the AGP (ie heterosexual male who identifies as trans) calling themselves a lesbian was the only only one who got a response on twitter?

Demonstrating that theirs is the only opinion Clinton Blackburn cares about.

Did anyone notice that the AGP (ie heterosexual male who identifies as trans) calling themselves a lesbian was the only only one who got a response on twitter?

"I'm more concerned that the police hate women so much"

This is no surprise surely?

These are dark times. What with Susie Green from Mermaids winning a special award from MI5 and John Bercow squatting as Speaker of the House... there is much going on behind the scenes to undermine women and children's rights and democracy itself at the moment and Stonewall are the public face.

Could it be anymore obvious how much Stonewall hate women? We just don't matter to them do we?

I'm more concerned that the police hate women so much. They don't need to take on stonewall's advice and disregard women's rights, but they do.

Sarah Brown has had a thing about this for years - about a decade.

Could it be anymore obvious how much Stonewall hate women? We just don't matter to them do we?

The point is though is it doesn’t follow they’d have to pretend to be trans to be corrupt

They don't have to pretend. Male transpeople are capable of sexual assault.