Pregnant Dad-to-be

OkPedro no, we tell her she has two mothers and when she is old enough to understand we will explain she was conceived with the help of a donor; a kind man we don't know who helped us have her. She can meet him one day if she wants.

The donor is not her father, it is important for her to understand the difference.

I imagine Scout will do something similar.

jezebels I asked you a good few posts back, do you tell your child they have a father and two mothers?

Rules for 2 male parents

You must fill in a‘C51 application form for a parental order’and give this to afamily proceedings courtwithin 6 months of the child’s birth

You’ll need to provide the child’s full birth certificate and will also be charged a court fee of £215

The court will then set a date for the hearing and issue you with a ‘C52 acknowledgement form’ that you must give to the child’s legal parent, ie your surrogate

The birth mother and anyone else who’s a parent of the child must agree to the parental orderin writing

You cannot apply for a parental order once the child is older than 6 months

Proving that one of them has a genetic relationship with the child and getting a parental order. It’s the mechanism anybody uses if they use a surrogate mother

No it isn't. In the case of a surrogate in the UK the woman who gave birth is registered as the mother.

They aren't on the original birth certificate though, getting a parental order means another certificate is issued, and the original kept on file. No one is pretending that the male same sex parents are the birth parents. There is a process, a parental order is submitted and a second birth certificate is issued.

How can two men be on a birth certificate?

Proving that one of them has a genetic relationship with the child and getting a parental order. It’s the mechanism anybody uses if they use a surrogate mother.

How can two men be on a birth certificate? A same sex female married couple, yes, because the mother and her legal partner are recorded. No lying involved there.

However deliberately recording the mother as the father and denying that there is a mother at all is a lie.

Someone choosing to lie on a birth certificate about being the father of the child is very different to the state allowing someone to say they’re the child’s father

But it’s already legal to have two men or two women on a birth certificate. That’s not ‘lying’, it’s just how birth certificates work. Somebody can automatically become a legal parent by being married even if it’s a same sex marriage.

Well, yes. It's all very well assuming that someone will be honest about the situation with their child in the fullness of time, but that's a pretty generous assumption when they are prepared to lie on a legal document which belongs to their child for the sake of their own identity issues.

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Someone choosing to lie on a birth certificate about being the father of the child is very different to the state allowing someone to say they’re the child’s father, when they’re actually the mother who gave birth to the child, merrymouse

Claiming to be the child's father when you are actually the mother and doing it legally is several steps beyond that.

Unless they plan to conceal the fact that they are trans or want to make up a pretend mother, isn’t it more likely that they will just tell the truth?

Lying about the parentage of your child is one thing, and obviously fairly questionable as it is. Claiming to be the child's father when you are actually the mother and doing it legally is several steps beyond that.

Same sex parents.

Which isn't the same as rocking up with your best mate

Nobody checked my relationship with my partner when we registered our son’s birth. I could have just met him on the street outside.

But the point is that it is already possible to put two same sexual parents on a birth certificate, nobody cares if the second parent has any genetic relationship to the child and there has never been a need to put a father in a birt certificate despite rarity if immaculate conceptions.

I don’t think a man can give birth, but given that birth certificates already have little to do with biology, I’m pretty laid back about this.

Yes - they need a parenthood agreement. Which isn't the same as rocking up with your best mate

I did miss out a bit in my post.

a surrogate doesn’t automatically have parental responsibility assuming a genetic parent has applied for a parental order.

Sorry, which bit is wrong.

The only difference with same sex couples is that if they aren’t married they need a parenthood agreement.

The birds and the bees matter.

Creating a work of fiction around them isn't helping anyone.

Someone who will use their pregnancy in the press in this way to push an illogical and fictional political agenda whilst avoiding antenatal groups sounds troubled to me.

Motherhood is a (biting) reality of womanhood and a test of mental capacity and endurance at the best of times. How much harder is it going to be trying to do that with no peer support whilst denying biological reality?

If this were a woman giving birth to a martian because she self ids as from Mars or a woman giving birth to a kitten because she self ids as a cat would it be applauded or raise concern?

The people with the cold hearts are the ones who won't be straight with their children because it injures their own inner identity.

So yes, naff right off with that.

Jezebel this is entirely different to gay people raising children whether bio or adopted. The non birth mother of your children is mother by legal order. She didn't give birth but she has legal parenthood much like an adopted parent.
The mother of Scout's baby has chosen to lie to the baby and call herself the baby's father. That is so different to your family that I can't even believe you're comparing them.

Which but is wrong orchid?

Seriously stop being so goady. Naff off with your "cold hearts" nonsense.