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I am still awaiting this discussion on democracy within the Liberal Democrats...

Why the silence?

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Crack on. You destroying libdems almost single handed

Why not do away with any sex segregated spaces then? Have mixed sex spaces everywhere and never divide into men’s and women’s under any circumstances.

Self id does though. Fairly obviously.

If male bodied trans women don't pose any threat at all, why do we bother having single sex wards at all?

And why is safety the only issue? What about dignity and privacy?

There are lesbian trans women on there as well.

You mean trans homophobes?

I’ve only ever attended local meetings and never made a conference but I have never seen another BAME person there. I’m also usually the only person under 40.

You are saying that the Liberal Democrats are not interested in the concerns of elderly people in hospital.

I'm saying the perceived concerns that people have of the affect of trans women being on hospital wards is not going to change libdem policy. Because those concerns are unfounded and baseless. Trans women do not pose a threat to elderly women on hospital wards.

Orangesnake, why have NO lesbians decided to stand for the LGBT LD executive? Don't you think it odd? Or concerning? Or lacking in diversity?

Well the Chair is a bisexual (or pansexual i'm not actually sure how she personally identifies), and has a female queer perspective. There are lesbian trans women on there as well. While many more women then there currently is would be desirable, its a systematic problem across all parts of all parties and not a specific issue with LGBT LDs.

And they have always voted Lib Dem.

It's just my elderly parents have 2 votes in Richmond.

Self-ID is libdem policy and has been for many many years

I didn't ask about Self ID. I asked about what you said which was:

You may well have concerns about who you are changing with, and who your mother is sharing a ward with, but those concerns just simply aren't going to change our policy or our minds.

You are saying that the Liberal Democrats are not interested in the concerns of elderly people in hospital. Is that something that Lib Dem candidates would be prepared to support?

Sarah Olney only lost by 40 seats in Richmond. Do you think she is prepared to back you up?

You know what people make derogatory comments about the LDs being elites and middle class and desperately male and white as a party, doesn't it ever make you stop and think about whether it's a valid criticism?

Cos it is.

Any comment on the issues with democracy within the party system or what trans people who disagree should do?

Should anyone who disagrees with an official policy of any kind, just 'fuck off' from the party? Or is it just trans stuff you are not allowed to debate?

You know, just so we know how liberal and democratic the party is. And JUST how diverse the party is?

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Go on then, find a Muslim woman who is happy with self Id.
At my local pool the Women's only sessions are very busy.
I think if a woman with a penis turns up it will be game over for women

Orangesnake, why have NO lesbians decided to stand for the LGBT LD executive? Don't you think it odd? Or concerning? Or lacking in diversity?

Should I check with my local Lib Dem candidate? The next council election is May 2019.

Is this official LibDem policy?

Self-ID is libdem policy and has been for many many years,

Name some current LD policies?

There's supporting the people's vote for brexit and there is trans women should have more rights than women.

Anyone got anymore?

That's the state the party has managed to get itself into.

Remind me, why are there no actual lesbians on the LD LGBT executive?

Well there are non-trans bisexual women, its just a matter of who stands and who gets elected to the executive (I'm not involved in LD LGBT as an organisation/its internal workings so I don't really know about who stood in elections). There are however plenty of lesbians in the party who are total supporters of trans rights. So your point is pretty moot.

You may well have concerns about who you are changing with, and who your mother is sharing a ward with, but those concerns just simply aren't going to change our policy or our minds.

Is this official LibDem policy? Will it be on posters?

Can you just explain to me again how self id doesn't affect women at all? No problems will arise from this policy, if it comes to pass, in your opinion. How do you know this?

So should trans people who hold the wrong views 'fuck off' too?

Still waiting.

In other words only homoSEXuals can be lesbians. To suggest otherwise, regardless of how someone identifies, is homophobic by definition.

Did you bother to ask the Muslim or Jewish lib dems how self ID affects them?

UpstartCrow, I know quite a few Muslim and Jewish libdems and they support self-ID just as much as I do.

Remind me, why are there no actual lesbians on the LD LGBT executive? Just people who identify as lesbians.

You might want to bare the following definition of homophobia in mind when you consider it:

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual. Recognized types of homophobia include institutionalized homophobia, e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia, and internalized homophobia, experienced by people who have same-sex attractions, regardless of how they identify.