Trans Awareness Week

What about a week focusing on women who are murdered? Such as the 35 year old mother of 5, 8 months pregnant, who was killed yesterday with a cross-bow. (RIP).

but I think it's important to not tar all trans people with the same brush.

Phew thank god for this virtue signalling or otherwise our silly ladybrains would never have thought of it.

Im with betty

I'll support womyns liberation

Floral - I can't get over these perspectives on 'Feminism is for everyone' that sound exactly like all those thoughtless people who respond to Black Lives Matter conversations with #AllLivesMatter.

Exactly - if, say, crossdressers' rights are headed under the banner of feminism, the term becomes meaningless.
"Peak trans" is about the realisation of the absurdity of the transgender umbrella, self ID and its repercussions on women's rights and freedom of speech. It's not comparable to "peak muslim" or whatever. If we must use banal religion-related analogies, a comparable situation would be the government toying with the idea of adopting wholesale sharia law in the UK and people who voice their concerns being labelled islamophobic. The realisation of what is going on could be described as "peak sharia". In the current situation, comparisons to racism or religious intolerance are naive and show that some people still haven't grasped what we are talking about.

Men love to tell women what feminism means.

I’m ready to jettison ‘Feminism’ to the ‘equality for all’ lot (even though they already have ‘Egalitarianism’ to describe their tosh) and resurrect ‘Women’s Lib’.

Fuck the ‘thirdwave’ It’s high time for a secondwave of secondwave!

I can't get over these perspectives on 'Feminism is for everyone' that sound exactly like all those thoughtless people who respond to Black Lives Matter conversations with #AllLivesMatter.

YY. It's really ok to have a movement which centres the needs of women only.

Men have every other political movement putting them first. Conservative, liberal - you name it. Can we have feminism just about us, please?
Also men's activism is extremely problematic. Liberal feminism is hijacked by men. "Transwomen are women", alongside with "porn is liberating", and "prostitution is empowering". And then they have audacity to say we're doing feminism wrong.

No, just the women. Doesn't include anyone XY.

At the risk of going off topic, this seems to be a point of much debate.

I've read feminist views that state that much of men's activism is unnecessary as feminism has that covered by virtue of being focused of equality, and I've also read posts on here that vehemently oppose the dictionary definition (sometimes because the Oxford dictionary was 'written by men') and believe instead that feminism is about 'the liberation of women' and only invested in 'equality' insofar as levelling the playing field - i.e. not focusing on men's issues at all as they are already ahead.

it was a huge issue whether black women should be included in feminist cause

Is this an attempt to describe the need for intersectionality? It's not been an issue in my entire lifetime whether or not black women should be included in feminism. Intersectionality is not about including black women, it's about recognizing the very specific issues that WoC have to deal with that magnify the sexism they experience. They were always included by virtue of being women.

I can't get over these perspectives on 'Feminism is for everyone' that sound exactly like all those thoughtless people who respond to Black Lives Matter conversations with #AllLivesMatter.

Rixera

Is that the best you can manage?

@avegemitesandwich exactly. Some feminist movements exclude trans people, some include, but both are invested in the issue.

Racism and feminism, for eg, also interlinked. Prior to this it was a huge issue whether black women should be included in feminist causes. Or even just the issue of race as things that disadvantaged black men left their wives significantly worse off.

Every time I hear “folk” in any context other than music my teeth do that chalk on a blackboard thing, and I imagine transgender men in little pointy green hats and red jerkins, sitting on toadstools.

But that's ridiculous, everything is a feminist issue because everything technically has a knock on effect on women.

Well yes, I would agree that letting men into female spaces definitely has a knock on effect on women.

This is a feminist issue. Feminism is about opposing heteronormativity and supporting people who are crushed under patriarchy.

No its not its about women.

What do you mean 'feminism is about opposing heteronormativity' anyway? I am 'heteronormative', can I not be included in feminism now?

The clue is in the name fem-i-nis-m, as in 'female'.

But that's ridiculous, everything is a feminist issue because everything technically has a knock on effect on women. Some people think trans women should be included in that, some don't, that's fine, there have always been different branches of feminism to a degree.

To say anything not directly about women isn't a feminist issue is ridiculous. The minimum wage is a feminist issue. Paternity leave doesn't include women and is wholly a feminist issue. Everything can be looked at from the perspective of how it affects women and is therefore a feminist issue.

This is a feminist issue. Feminism is about opposing heteronormativity and supporting people who are crushed under patriarchy.

No, just the women. Doesn't include anyone XY.

I think the peak fundamentalist sums it up perfectly.
That's where I peak on all these issues.

I guess I sometimes need to remember not to stray that way in my own rad fem thoughts.

I think it is a strength to reflect and open up discussion.

Love and respect to my trans brothers and sisters.

I agree with Earlywalker. This is a feminist issue. Feminism is about opposing heteronormativity and supporting people who are crushed under patriarchy.

I think the Tories might long grass self-ID, or want to, but Labour are going to keep pushing for it.

Yes. And if we get another hung parliament after the next GE, a Labour-led coalition would also go right ahead. If this becomes a highlighted issue when Brexit is over and is no longer eating all the column inches - and I think it might - then voting behaviour is going to be, well, interesting.

If people don't like #peaktrans then they can use #peakGIT (gender identity theory). I like #peakGIT - it's explicitly about the ideology and it's also a snotty pun.

I think the Tories might long grass self-ID, or want to, but Labour are going to keep pushing for it.

(So will the LibDems and the Greens, but it's not like anyone's listening to them anyway.)

Kay - I hope it’s a forgone conclusion that self id us done, I don’t think it is. I think most of us are aware that there are ts who don’t support self id, we welcome Mir and others on other discussions on this board, and I expect many of us would support or not counter this thread else where, just not on a board for awareness of women’s issues. Most of us are fine with social niceties if she in person, but when it’s forced it’s different. The thing is anyone born with male privilege, using that to protect vulnerable women, is kind of a basic baseline of what’s reasonable behaviour. While we acknowledge that there are a few rare ts putting their head on the line for us like Mir, I expect gushing over that behaviour somewhat implies that it’s going over and above, when really respect women’s need for privacy and safety should be/is basic.

It would be really great to here publicly from more ts on this. And actually the appropriation of your experience by blokes that like to wear a skirt would also be something more of the public should hear imho.

Scott - there are entire university degrees devoted to critiquing religion, and many others that include that critique.

So I'm a troll for agreeing with a previous poster that the term 'peak trans' is potentially offensive?

I don't agree with self ID btw, but I think it's important to not tar all trans people with the same brush.