Trans Awareness Week

The conflation of male suffering with male violence is at the core of MRA.

There is a point around men being more prone to violence generally (namalt) makes their suicide attempts more likely to be successful >> while women actually attempt more they die less (although young women I believe are the fastest growing group but still much less than men).

This is a feminist and toxic masculinity argument though so I doubt that's where scott was coming from.

It's really interesting that he sees men committing suicide as male violence but not women being murdered, like the news that was being discussed > sorry for upset but a man shot a pregnant woman in the stomach with a crossbow in front of her kids > its unfair to describe that as male violence accoring to scott.

Just wow, really.

Yes -

"ScottCheggJnr Tue 13-Nov-18 22:43:03
What I wouldn't do is go on a forum dominated by the other sex and bash on about how it doesn't matter and it's not my responsibility to address.

Where did I say it doesn't matter? It certainly does, as do the 40x more men who die weekly as the result of male violence - well, likely more as that's just the figure for male suicides."

Men committing suicide are "victims of male violence"?

Interesting that extract

Scott sees men who commit suicide as victims of "male violence" and has no problem using the term there

But struggles to see it as a valid term to use when women are murdered by men.

Where did I say it doesn't matter? It certainly does, as do the 40x more men who die weekly as the result of male violence - well, likely more as that's just the figure for male suicides.

hey Scott,

Please do share a link to the campaign you have started to address this, or whereabouts on Pistonheads (or even Dadsnet) you have been talking about how toxic masculinity should be addressed to stop this awful state of behaviour.

I would have much rather see men and women work together in solidarity to address these problems caused by a tiny percentage of the male population.

I agree with this.

Women have safeguarding in place to help protect them from the minority of men that commit crime against them, violate them and intimidate them.

Let's work together to stop these safeguarding measures being taken away from women.

Let's keep sex segregated areas for women. Male bodies have no business being there. There is a reason that women need these spaces.

Great to hear that you are behind us with that, or even ahead of the pack, spreading the word and campaigning to keep women safe from the minority of males who want access to hurt them.

Homophobia and disrespecting other people's identities as standard.

From Labour this time.

Be fair, they have to divert people's attention away from their anti-semitism.

Homophobia and disrespecting other people's identities as standard.

From Labour this time.

Nice.

Ah yes - the post-mortem transing of a person who said of themselves that they were a gay man.

Marsha said that Marsha was a gay man shortly before Marsh died, so...

Re: awareness week, labour lgbt+ just tweeted this

LGBT Labour
@LGBTLabour
This #TransAwarenessWeek we will be highlighting some of the trans activists who inspire us, and have changed history.

Today we start with Marsha P. Johnson!

Marsha, threw the first brick at the stonewall riots & was a founding member of the Gay Liberation Front

Bunbury says "don't let the giant toad squatting in the lane outside the pub that you've been going to for years and that's full of old friends drive you away, no matter how flatulent it might be".

Step over the toad and go talk to your friends instead.

Night vicky

I wish all women here a Bunbury good night.

Not “nutters” Scott. I don’t know a single woman who hasn’t experienced some level of sexual abuse. Groping, grabbing, harassment, stalking, flashing, rape, violence. Not one woman in my friendship group. So you carry on thinking this a “tiny” number of men, a minute number of “nutters” . You carry on thinking that you are lovely, so lovely that you come onto a women’s forum to tell us all just that.
If you can’t see that you are in a small way doing just what you profess not to do, then what can we say to you? Leave women alone .

assasinated

So far my boys are lovely...the youngest is only 15 so it could still go horribly wrong

Night nothing

"It's like saying you should accept some responsibility as they were the same species/race as you?"

Yes, we are all responsible as a society. I don't take that as a personal insult, and I'd like to work towards changing it. I do what I can, including considering carefully how I raise my sons.

Christ.

Night all.

Do you also think that the average black person should assume responsibility for their race's crimes given that POC are 'overrepresented in every stage of the justice system' according to government figures?

What I wouldn't do is go on a forum dominated by the other sex and bash on about how it doesn't matter and it's not my responsibility to address.

Where did I say it doesn't matter? It certainly does, as do the 40x more men who die weekly as the result of male violence - well, likely more as that's just the figure for male suicides.

My point is that pointing an accusatory finger at the average male isn't really doing anything to help.

I'm happy to help if I can, but I won't be accepting any responsibility for a nutter killing anybody just because they share the same sex as me. It's like saying you should accept some responsibility as they were the same species/race as you?

Oh the tired old cliche that we're all man haters. What a surprise.

So called 'feminists' ?

Alrighty

It's really, really not all about you, Scott.

No one thinks you are responsible for this woman's murder.