Trans Awareness Week

Well, it's better than putting it onto a different class. If men take responsibility for male (XY natal penis) violence & women for female (XX natal vagina female) I think that would be reasonable.

Why not try to deal with it as a society? It makes more sense to me than trying to play the blame game/pass the hot potato. A non violent man is no more guilty for the behaviour of violent men than a non violent woman is.

You're the one that wants to take responsibility for it, include or exclude who you want. I'm asking what you are doing about it?

How can you tell whether it's actually escalating though, when the likes of Karen West, Davina Ayrton & Jacinta Brooks are recorded as female?

"If men take responsibility for male (XY natal penis) violence & women for female (XX natal vagina female) I think that would be reasonable."

How though? Genuine question? Because I don't take responsibility for escalating female violence.

And that would also mean that if transwomen are unable to use male spaces because of violence, MEN need to make them safe. Not to ask women to become less safe.

I wasn't saying women should do it. I was saying that putting the responsibility for the actions of a comparatively small number of individuals onto the other members of their wider class isn't a good approach.

Well, it's better than putting it onto a different class. If men take responsibility for male (XY natal penis) violence & women for female (XX natal vagina female) I think that would be reasonable.

Why not?

Peer pressure is proven to be extremely effective. You can see it in action every day.

If not peers, then who? The tooth fairy?

Given your suggestion seems to be to get the women to do it, I'm not really sure what your point is here.

I wasn't saying women should do it. I was saying that putting the responsibility for the actions of a comparatively small number of individuals onto the other members of their wider class isn't a good approach.

The reason men with mh problems kill isn’t because they have mh problems, if it was all the women with mh problems would go around killing at the same rates. They kill because it’s male violence.

Poc are not a control group to compare men to because poc also contain men.

Ignoring the fact that men from low socioeconomic backgrounds are also more likely to commit violence, the common argument seems to be that because men as a class commit more violence they should as a class commit to solving it.

Yes, and?

Given your suggestion seems to be to get the women to do it, I'm not really sure what your point is here.

It’s disabilist to dismiss male violence against women and girls by ‘the poor men all have mh problems anyways’.

"The study found men who commit spontaneous domestic homicides, as they are known, have more severe mental illness and particularly psychotic disorders than other people. The findings may make it possible to even prevent such murders from taking place by intervening early to treat the person's mental health."

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3211390/amp/How-spot-family-killer-Experts-discover-distinct-psychological-traits-men-murder-partners-children.html

Men as a class commit more violence

People of colour , when poverty is taken into account, don’t. Confounding factor.

Ignoring the fact that men from low socioeconomic backgrounds are also more likely to commit violence, the common argument seems to be that because men as a class commit more violence they should as a class commit to solving it. By this logic, POC should all commit to tackling the increased crime rates exhibited by their class.

• disabilist.

It’s disabilist to dismiss male violence against women and girls by ‘the poor men all have mh problems anyways’.

Men as a class commit more violence

People of colour , when poverty is taken into account, don’t. Confounding factor.

It’s very disability to dismiss male violence against women and girls as happening because the perpetrators mostly have mental health problems anyways. Most people with mental health problems are much much more likely to be the victims of violence not the perpetrators. And just as many women as men have mh problems (despite getting much less of the funding pot & much less recognition, help or understanding) yet men at risk from those of us women who are mentally unstable.

Women attempt suicide around 3 times as much as men do, iirc. It’s American study iirc but there’s no reason to think it doesn’t hold true here. Having done my asist training and used it, mostly it’s women who are struggling with sui ime. Just men are socialised to be more violent so they go for more violent methods like guns that actually work, bleeding out or over dosing are actually much slower harder ways to die and leave much more room for intervention to save them. Of course women’s higher rates of attempted sui get written off as attention seaking, where as men’s sui are high lighted as a public health crisis we all must addess right now. (Plus how many of those male sui are family assassinations where he kills himself after killing his wife/partner/kids bc I’m not sold on caring about them in the over all stats).

This is a funny thread -

Awareness of men (ts)

This board should centre women.

Male sui are victims of male violence too.

It’s all about men all the time, even when it’s not we must shut up and let it be all about men again.

Why am I not surprised that you've made that hideous comparison. Are you aware that every thought you post is crashingly unoriginal and we've heard it all before?

I didn't. I made the point that there seems to be uneven criticism between different classes.

Just like how all men are often held accountable on here for the fact that men as a class commit more violence, but black people are not all held accountable for the fact that they as a class commit more crime (nor should they be).

Ah. Whatabouttery. Classic.

How the actual fuck did you just leap from one group being treated disproportionately over others, to ''Reeeee, feminists never critisize Islam and they should''?

I believe it's common for men (perhaps people in general) to turn their anger inwards as a form of self loathing

Of course its people in general

Dont be silly

Men who discuss male suicides do not get contempt

If you feel people are being contemptuous ...maybe its you

And women on here who love and worry about their men are not dismissive either

Hence, the more violent methods generally implemented by men in killing themselves.

I believe it's common for men (perhaps people in general) to turn their anger inwards as a form of self loathing.

Yes, male suicide is male violence and I've seen many regular posters state as much on here - although albeit usually in a dismissive 'it's men's fault' manner.

I believe it's partly tied in to toxic masculinity and the reluctance in men to discuss their feelings. This is hardly a revolutionary view and it's a shame that men who discuss it get so much contempt.