Boys and girls learn differently?

It looks like the products of toxic masculinity, that's what needs to be dealt with in general.

You might argue that a lot of the male problems listed stem from a lack of male involvement in parenting and teaching, providing good role models for boys. Men need to be more involved in raising and educating the next generation.

Ha! That list!

I'm guessing that your response to the gender pay gap wouldn't be quite so dismissive?

It's beenmenin total control over the past few millennia.

I'm not sure how this is of any relevance to the young man with poor qualifications who ends up on minimum wage in a manual labour job.

Ha! That list!

It's been men in total control over the past few millennia.

Have you asked men why other men are still suffering? Have you tried involving men with resolving men's problems?

Or are you just expecting women to clear up men's messes? Again.

Oh noes, I sound like a tedious MRA type now. Really going to stop here.

But my prior point remains, there seems to be something structurally wrong with a school system that takes children of supposed equal ability and consistently produces worse results for the male pupils.

Our school system works less well for the boys, and surely if equal outcomes are desired, that means adjustments somewhere?

It would be nice if the education system truely sought the means for the system to lift all boats equally, and if where boys are to be assisted somewhat differently to do so, that it was not immediately fought.

Fair enough , I guess seeking 'equality' would also mean needing to think about the following areas :

Poorer primary and secondary education outcomes
Poorer rates of university admission
Notable lower rates of entry to top degrees such as law and medicine
Higher rates of injury at work
Much higher rates of death at work
Higher rates of imprisonment
Harsher sentencing for criminal offences
Higher rates of death by suicide
Higher likelihood of being murdered
Higher rate of homelessness
Higher rates of lethal cancer
Higher rates of heart attack
Shorter life expectancy

People are all different heights, but a person who is 6' tall is more likely to be male and a person who is 5' tall is more likely to be female. But some women are 6' tall and some men are 5' tall.

Not wanting to be pedantic or drag this out, but using the above as an example I think you could reasonably argue that if you were designing something in which height was a factor, the difference between men and women could absolutely be reliably factored in despite not being an absolute. Like, you might reasonably expect men to need a longer walking stick (daft example I know).

This woman, me, seeks to free women from historical and current oppression by men. Not equality. Equality would mean two men per week in the UK being killed by a current or former intimate female partner, as is the case with women being killed by male current or former intimate partner. I definitely wouldn't want that.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37552056

2016:

'Department for Education statistics show 26% of teachers in England are men - accounting for 38% of secondary and 15% of primary school teachers'

I don't think I said I expected women to fix it? Anyhow I thought feminists were pro equality for all and so would be fighting for such in all cases?
Surely feminism is not simply about promoting the sectional advantage of a single part of society to the possible detriment of anyone seen as outgroup? Also what percentage of the teaching work force is female? A reasonably decent majority?

Please see the 2x studies in the link.

If:
"boys certainly need something to be done to adjust and improve the school environment for them, given the growing gap in educational attainment,"
then why aren't men stepping up to the mark to do this? Where are the men? Why are you expecting women to take care of all this?

It's just the same old Blame Women again: "..and also that some studies show that this is down to female teachers marking them down by gender." Any solid evidence for that?

I think boys certainly need something to be done to adjust and improve the school environment for them, given the growing gap in educational attainment, and also that some studies show that this is down to female teachers marking them down by gender.

e.g.

www.nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/20430-two-studies-show-one-cause-of-boys-educational-failure-their-teachers

The article is suggesting that there are, generally speaking, key differences between the sexes which should be considered when approaching education.

That may or may not be true. And even if it is, some girls will behave more like typical boys and some boys will behave more like typical girls (those overlapping bell curves again). We shouldn't effectively exclude those children who are not typical of their sex in their learning strategies. Treating them like individuals would seem to be a more appropriate way to tackle the issue.

Stop pretending you've read the fing article when you've already stated you haven't, you're making a t of yourself thinking you can come on here and dazzle feminists on your superior analytic skills when you haven't even read the paper you're making claims about, are copy and pasting 'a quick Google search' and using quotations that state the OPPOSITE of what you claim they state. Stop wasting everyone's p*ing time and come back when you've done some research and have something to say about it, over and out.

In that case, you didn't understand, Scott. Differences can be significant without being absolute. Think of the height analogy. People are all different heights, but a person who is 6' tall is more likely to be male and a person who is 5' tall is more likely to be female. But some women are 6' tall and some men are 5' tall.

No, I didn't mean that "all boys are x".

The article is suggesting that there are, generally speaking, key differences between the sexes which should be considered when approaching education.

I took it that Fermat was saying that any small differences between gender were likely to be effectively nullified by the differences between individuals. However, the article I posted seems to place some significance on the differences. That was what I was referring to.

We don't seem to: be discussing the same thing, Scott. I was referring to Fermat's post at 18:39. The one with the graphs. I haven't got a clue what article you're referring to. My argument is more general.

Think of it like heights. Average for men is somewhere around 5'10" and for women about 5'4", with a distribution around those values. You seem to be saying the equivalent of all men are 5'10" and all women are 5'4".

Good stuff.
Scientists have discovered approximately 100 gender differences in the brain, and the importance of these differences cannot be overstated.Understanding gender differences from a neurological perspective not only opens the door to greater appreciation of the different genders, it also calls into question how we parent, educate, and support our children from a young age.
That all sounds very vague (I would also add SEX not gender). I'm not against the idea of there being differences on average in male and female brains, I'm open to looking at evidence, but you're not giving us anything to engage with, and you've got a bit of a cheek plopping in links to papers you haven't read and then expecting us to read them for you so that we can give our opinions. Do your own bloody reading then come back when you've got something to say what you've discovered.

I'm not attempting to argue that the one I posted is necessarily right. However, I'm not just going to prioritise one and ignore the other in line with what I want the conclusion to be.

I meant the one's in Fermat's post from earlier that you appeared not to have understood.

I know you meant that one and I did understand it. However, she was attempting to use the conclusion of that article as a means to nullify the conclusion of the one I posted which seemingly doesn't agree as it states that these gendered difference are a consideration in regard to education.

Scientists have discovered approximately 100 gender differences in the brain, and the importance of these differences cannot be overstated.Understanding gender differences from a neurological perspective not only opens the door to greater appreciation of the different genders, it also calls into question how we parent, educate, and support our children from a young age.

Scott, the quotation I took from your example above indicates the opposite of the point you were trying to make (that men and women have different learning styles). It indicates that there is a variety of interests/abilities/aggression amongst females. If that's the point you were in fact trying to make then great, we agree, have a nice evening.

There were no overlapping distribution curves in the article I posted.

I meant the one's in Fermat's post from earlier that you appeared not to have understood.

If the differences are insignificant, why are so many experts stating that we need to take them into consideration in regard to education?

I was showing you how differences can be significant, but not absolute.