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Rod Liddle: I’m identifying as a young, black, trans chihuahua, and the truth can go whistle

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 09:44

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/i-m-identifying-as-a-young-black-trans-chihuahua-and-the-truth-can-go-whistle-tq550nx5f

This piece seems to have sent our favourite Doctor into an apoplectic rage yet again so I assume it is worth reading.

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terryleather · 11/11/2018 16:42

The stream of posters arriving on FWR to demand that we stop discussing, talking about, analysing matters that threaten and harm women and children is relentless. And all without a hint of self awareness as they provide us with lists of approved reading, language we must use, people that we must and must not discuss, ideas that we must uncritically adopt. Quite incredible.

One needs to remember that the terminally woke who sanctimoniously "identify as right" must spend their time tirelessly lecturing everyone else for wrong think otherwise what's the point of them?

Popchyk · 11/11/2018 16:41

Well by all means go after Liddle then, Jez.

I can't imagine why you are wasting time haranguing women on here when you have a huge job on your hands to try to get the Sunday Times and other media to sack him.

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 16:39

I wish Liddle's detractors would spend one thousandth of the time taking him to task for his actual behaviour rather than taking women to task for reading articles.

Popchyk funny you should say that as it's exactly what Liddle himself argues about child abusers and those that watch child abuse online.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 16:34

if you have shared a lovely article by Hitler about his love of dogs I would have said 'hold on a minute, do you realise who this guy is? Do you know what he stands for

I wouldn't have bothered picking apart his article about dogs. In the grand scheme of things his thoughts on dogs aren't important

I find this point of view pretty astonishing, but I guess it also explains terfblocker and why TRAs are so upset when challenged - they just aren't used to seeing anything outside of their bubble because they usually censor everything they consume so heavily.

I don't agree with your point of view at all Jezebel and I am going to follow the advice of the esteemed Bunbury in one of her seminal works "Wrestling with Pigs, and Chess with Pigeons" and not be derailed anymore Smile

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Weezol · 11/11/2018 16:28

It all goes downhill in the bit about Jess Philips in which his true colours come out in the 'wit laden comedy sterotypes we haven't heard a thousand times before' section:

Other things girls could be taught to break down that imbalance include, but are not confined to, parking a car, getting to the point and walking past a shoe shop without buying anything.

Still, at least he's consistently a wanker I suppose.

Popchyk · 11/11/2018 16:24

Rod Liddle is loathsome and wrote an article in mainstream media.

And it is the fault of women for reading it. Of course.

I wish Liddle's detractors would spend one thousandth of the time taking him to task for his actual behaviour rather than taking women to task for reading articles.

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 16:22

No OP, if you have shared a lovely article by Hitler about his love of dogs I would have said 'hold on a minute, do you realise who this guy is? Do you know what he stands for?'

I wouldn't have bothered picking apart his article about dogs. In the grand scheme of things his thoughts on dogs aren't important.

Many posters may not have realised what a vile journalist Rod Liddle is. Well hopefully now they know.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 16:21

Just spotted this on Twitter Grin

Rod Liddle: I’m identifying as a young, black, trans chihuahua, and the truth can go whistle
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2018 16:17

It's fascinating isn't it.

I genuinely wish people who come on threads like this would actually engage in debate - I think both "sides" would learn something.

I think, for example, if some sort of compelling evidence for "lady brain" was found people here would be extremely interested in discussing it.

I'm speaking personally here, but I follow a lot of TRAs on Twitter and I always consider what they say - I don't just dismiss it because of my and their beliefs.

Trying to shut down debate just isn't a very well balanced thing to do.

If a poster on this thread had taken apart the linked article piece by piece that would have made for an interesting discussion. But instead variations on "nasty women who like a nasty man" were posted repeatedly which comes across as childish and unintelligent.

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EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 11/11/2018 16:14

The stream of posters arriving on FWR to demand that we stop discussing, talking about, analysing matters that threaten and harm women and children is relentless. And all without a hint of self awareness as they provide us with lists of approved reading, language we must use, people that we must and must not discuss, ideas that we must uncritically adopt. Quite incredible.

Yes. You'd almost think they were all co-ordinating their tactics on Twitter, wouldn't you?

Imnobody4 · 11/11/2018 16:13

Jezebelz
'Use every man (woman) after his desert, and who should scape whipping?'
I find your position extremely tedious - nobody on here is going to change their behaviour at your behest. If you don't like RL don't contribute to a thread about one of his articles. If you want to participate then deal with the points in the article.

scepticalwoman · 11/11/2018 16:10

The stream of posters arriving on FWR to demand that we stop discussing, talking about, analysing matters that threaten and harm women and children is relentless. And all without a hint of self awareness as they provide us with lists of approved reading, language we must use, people that we must and must not discuss, ideas that we must uncritically adopt. Quite incredible.

exLtEveDallas · 11/11/2018 15:58

Rod Liddle is an utter tosspot and I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire.

The article shared above is excellent.

Electron1 · 11/11/2018 15:55

No-one is liking and retweeting here Jezebels. They are twitter actions, not mumsnet, and are not equivalences. The dialogue here works in a very different way to twitter. We post things and discuss the merits of what is said, and the person's behaviour if it influences our opinions, exactly as happened here.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 11/11/2018 15:55

Would you, for example, like and re-tweet this from Danielle Muscato? Bearing in mind 'that' offensive Tweet Danielle Muscato wrote.

Muscato's written a lot of offensive tweets and even more offensively IMO, spent all that time living in a women's shelter while very obviously presenting as male.

What were you thinking of, Jez?

GCAcademic · 11/11/2018 15:45

Something to bear in mind before sharing his work.

I think it is up to individuals on here to read and share whatever they choose, within the terms of this forum. I won’t be bearing in mind the lectures on ideological purity from people who seem to have an interest in closing down debate and derailing discussion. I’m sick of no-platforming and see every day in my job the damage and divisions it causes when we dismiss arguments wholesale without even attempting to engage. Play the ball, not the man.

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 15:44

EmpressAdultHumanFemale that is genuinely interesting.

Would you, for example, like and re-tweet this from Danielle Muscato? Bearing in mind 'that' offensive Tweet Danielle Muscato wrote.

Rod Liddle: I’m identifying as a young, black, trans chihuahua, and the truth can go whistle
Electron1 · 11/11/2018 15:35

You should take it up with the Times, we are acknowledging his comment on the current wave of extensions to the IDing out of material reality via the legal system we are potentially setting up for this very purpose. You seem to be very keen to use this as a place to demand no platforming and to berate women for acknowledging his comment.

The comments here on the whole say RL is a twat but we agree on this point. So I think you are not only demanding RL be no platformed by everyone here but are also insisting we should be censured for not applying universal censorship despite people being open about both sides of their opinion.

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 15:33

Sorry littlbrowndog I'll try and explain it more clearly.

Rod Liddle is a disgusting, woman-hating, child abuse apologist. Yes he takes the piss out of trans people in a way some may find amusing but he is no feminist ally. Something to bear in mind before sharing his work.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 11/11/2018 15:31

I was deeply unimpressed by self-confessed rapist Cherno Biko being an official at one of the Women's Marches.

And if you look at several prominent TRAs, their links to extreme porn, flashing, domestic violence etc aren't exactly reassuring.

But if one of them then turned round & spoke in favour of women's sex-based rights I'd be surprised, suspicious but ready to listen.

littlbrowndog · 11/11/2018 15:24

Jez

We always seem to be disappointing you
But not sure why as your post read like lectures and I don’t actually get the point you are making

Jezebelz · 11/11/2018 15:23

@Electron1

I will take any allies I can get in this fight for truth and women’s rights.
Love him or hate him, Rod has a wide readership and can get the message out there.

This is defending his right to be platformed, to have his views published in the national press. He should have lost that right after the child abuse article imo.

I don't like him much, can you tell?

Electron1 · 11/11/2018 15:18

FWR never ceases to amaze me but never thought I would see women willing to die on the hill defending the likes of Rod Liddle.

Have you seen that? Again, please show me where?

Popchyk · 11/11/2018 15:17

Jez, what are the priorities exactly?

And who gets to define them?

Electron1 · 11/11/2018 15:17

So no examples of fawning and praising, its now changed to "prioritising ridiculing trans ideology".

What RL and many other news reports and commentators are doing is asking the pertinent question about how far the principle of self ID is going.

Some will ridicule trans ideology while doing it. It's not hard. There's plenty to ridicule, and ridiculing the ridiculous has it's purpose in exposing the weaknesses of the proposition. The serious aspects get debated seriously at length too.

We are discussing the Sunday papers, it's ok to do that, we don't all have to line up as fawners or non fawners to do that.

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