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Ru Paul’s Drag Race

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 08:40

Disclaimer - I’ve never watched the show so could be wildly off track. Saw an article yesterday:

“Drag Race All Stars” Will Feature A Trans Contestant Despite RuPaul’s Past Comments

The drag legend seems to be embracing transgender inclusivity after being criticized for what some believed were harmful comments earlier this year.

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/michaelblackmon/rupaul-drag-race-all-stars-gia-gunn-trans

It states how

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Fallingirl · 11/11/2018 12:46

C*s women are trans women. Get over it.

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 12:46

Can a transmasc female take part? I don't see why not...?

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 12:34

But what if my passing privilege actually holds me back from being recognised as trans? I think it’s more likely going to be a tool for my oppression.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 12:08

Further musings: Can I identify as a transwoman? Not a woman who identifies as a man but a woman identifying as a man who identifies as a woman?

I’d love to be the first transwoman to have given birth, breastfed etc. Maybe I could also apply for trans positions (political, social, any trans representative role) and then claim oppression if I’m rejected? And if anyone questioned it, point out the discrimination was probably coming from a position of trans-privilege, where their being trans isn’t questioned in the same way as mine is?

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FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 11:24

Can a lesbian be a drag queen then? Can u be one of I dressed like Barbie meets barbarella and make lots of double entendres?

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BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 11/11/2018 10:18

What if a woman identified as a drag queen? Presumably that would be ok.

hadwebutworldenoughandtime · 11/11/2018 10:16

Female drag queens are increasingly a thing. There was a documentary about a woman dressing in drag on iPlayer called 'Saved by Drag'. Was an interesting watch. Traditionally it has been men but when the end result is so OTT it really isn't men dressing as women but as a caricature of a woman and no reason why a woman can't do the same.

TheClitterati · 11/11/2018 10:11

Drag is more about performing hyper femininity than taking the piss out of women.

I do think technically a woman could perform hyper femininity characters, but would lack the "gay male" culture of drag to be a true drag act.

Guess they aren't having TM on the show but TW?

This is perhaps why RuPaul has resisted the transing of drag. As a feminist I certainly think he has a lot to be concerned about. As we've seen, it's a steep slippery slope.

FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 10:02

Plus they are made up words. I'm a fluegel-luegel myself.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 10:01

Don’t go reaching for a dictionary though fekko, they’re dangerous, hate-peddling things.

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FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 09:59

I've learn a few more new words there! Gawd everyone's special these days!

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 09:57

Is cross dressing the same as drag? If so, it comes under the stonewall definition of trans.

TRANS

An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.

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FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 09:37

Can a transsexual (m2f) be a drag queen? 🤯

KatVonGulag · 11/11/2018 09:36

Oh drag is so offensive though....traumatic....
It's the equivalent of (wait for it)
Blackface. Womenface. And transface.

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/11/2018 09:18

Ds1 partner is addicted to Ru pauls drag race, he loves it and knows everyone on it

Ill ask him what he thinks, as far as i can remember he wasnt keen when it first came up

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 11/11/2018 09:12

I like Ru Paul

Its a shame he wasn't able to stand up to the TRA, but I imagine he was being pressured by his producers etc

Its not a drag race if there is a transwoman on there, its not fair to the other contestants for a start

Unless obviously the Transwomen who go on there haven't had any hormones or surgery

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 09:00

I wonder what would happen if a woman did try to apply and presumably got turned down? Would there be outrage and uproar from TRAs at this exclusionary position?

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SavoyCabbage · 11/11/2018 08:49

There was a woman who I read about not so long ago who dresses as a drag queen even though she’s a woman. She got a job in an advert or something along those lines and then when they saw she was a woman she lost the job.

It doesn’t make much sense. The men on drag race are men. They don’t dress as women when they aren’t in drag.

howlsmovingcastle84 · 11/11/2018 08:48

If TWAW then women would also be allowed on of course.

KatVonGulag · 11/11/2018 08:47

I love it when the TRAs get their knickers in a twist about drag and how it's the equivalent of black face and so transphobic. It's so hilarious. Then they usually end up having massive "really well balanced" fights about it. Lol.

Caprisunorange · 11/11/2018 08:46

They have had contestants who turned out to identify as women (often they discovered this in the course of the series apparently) and RuPaul has always been clear this isn’t the show for them. It’s a show for men who can put on an act. Wonder what’s changed

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/11/2018 08:45

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/michaelblackmon/rupaul-drag-race-all-stars-gia-gunn-trans

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