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Janice Turner: "When self-identification trumps biology, men can be women, white can be black and age really will be just a number"

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TimeLady · 10/11/2018 06:54

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-identity-politics-win-a-man-of-69-can-be-49-bqh6rsjqw?shareToken=4fd4aac12f70686bfe4311abe13e7c50

Pretty much backs up what Trevor Philips was saying last month

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Sarahjconnor · 10/11/2018 07:39

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TimeLady · 10/11/2018 07:29

Both have provided such a simple argument against the general concept of self-ID

Rod again:
At least until reality intrudes — when the whole chimera falls to pieces because it is devoid of rationality, internal logic and common sense.

Sums it up, really

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Roystonv · 10/11/2018 07:13

Wonderful coverage in two respected publications; coming at the problem from a 'non feminist' angle will surely educate and stimulate debate among many. Just a shame/outrage/insult they didn't listen to us right from the beginning and just took a minute to think about the alternative universe that is being proposed.

Labradoodliedoodoo · 10/11/2018 07:10

So true

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 10/11/2018 07:07

The article was well-written and reasoned. Turner makes good points. I particularly liked the quote by Judith Butler that 'gender is a “performance”: you are a woman because you act out womanhood. Biological sex, however, is not real, merely a social construct.'

TimeLady · 10/11/2018 06:59

And in a similar vein in The Spectator

Why I’ve changed my name by Rod Mbunga Liddle

Does this argument from the left ring a bell with you? Imagine if Anthony did not identify as being black, but identified as being a woman and decided to call himself Antonia (which I suppose he may well do next week if he feels like it). Then, all of those objections would be rendered null and void by the liberals. He is not actually a woman? Doesn’t matter one bit. Indeed, his identification as a woman when he is palpably not a woman places him in an even more protected category than if he really were a woman. He hasn’t suffered sexual oppression as real women have? Nah, he has suffered more.

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/why-ive-changed-my-name/

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DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 10/11/2018 06:55

Well put, Ms Turner. There's no reason to accept the distortion of one biological reality and then to deny others.

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