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Janice Turner: "When self-identification trumps biology, men can be women, white can be black and age really will be just a number"

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TimeLady · 10/11/2018 06:54

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/if-identity-politics-win-a-man-of-69-can-be-49-bqh6rsjqw?shareToken=4fd4aac12f70686bfe4311abe13e7c50

Pretty much backs up what Trevor Philips was saying last month

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 10/11/2018 08:31

great article, thanks for the link as always TimeLady

i really think the wheels are coming off the juggernaut. it's just a bit depressing that people seem to be able to see the cheeky fuckery in depriving a BAME person of a grant by pretending to be one, but can't see it when it's a man depriving a woman of a place on the Jo Cox Women in Leadership programme

littlbrowndog · 10/11/2018 08:31

What do you actually want F4. ?

borntobequiet · 10/11/2018 08:29

Someone posted this on another thread, it’s appropriate on this one too:
transsexualwomen1.blogspot.com

LemonJello · 10/11/2018 08:27

Flawless logic with no comeback apart from emotional manipulation. Excellent article.

Feminist4 · 10/11/2018 08:26

No it won’t Fekko. Live and let live.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 10/11/2018 08:26

Excellent article.

BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 10/11/2018 08:23

Brilliant article.

Nuffaluff · 10/11/2018 08:20

This article is so good, no wonder someone is trying to derail the thread.
There is no hate in this article.

HermioneWeasley · 10/11/2018 08:20

👏👏👏👏💐 thank you Janice. So articulate and to the point as always

FermatsTheorem · 10/11/2018 08:20

Anyway, back to Janice Turner's article, which is excellent.

HamiltonCork · 10/11/2018 08:19

Try and engage with he article in discussion Feminisr4 instead of emotional blackmail.

FermatsTheorem · 10/11/2018 08:19

That's rather a distortion of the facts, though, isn't it? Of transwomen, only a tiny minority will be rapists (just as only a minority of men are rapists). Radical feminists are not saying all transwomen are rapists - that would clearly be stupid. All we're saying is that the tiny minority who are should not be put into women's prisons, where (see Karen White) they re-offend against vulnerable, literally captive women. Perhaps your efforts would be better directed towards allaying your daughter's fears than making shit up on the internet in order to reinforce those fears.

Nuffaluff · 10/11/2018 08:19

That is another great article. Thanks for sharing.
Clear, well reasoned, balanced.

BiologyMatters · 10/11/2018 08:18

Great article.

FekkoThePenguin · 10/11/2018 08:17

Has she been at the sharp end of hatred or does she fear what she sees on social media (which is a load of nonsense)?

Carpetglasssofa · 10/11/2018 08:16

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Butler

Feminist4 · 10/11/2018 08:15

Hamilton your attitude depresses and disgusts me. My daughter is scared to go out because of the transphobia that is being whipped up by rad fems. She is depressed because she is being likened to rapists. It’s hideous, scarey and deeply worrying and upsetting.

FekkoThePenguin · 10/11/2018 08:14

You can't be what you are not. The internal conflict will erupt sooner or later. That's nature.

FermatsTheorem · 10/11/2018 08:11

That's terribly sad, F4. Which is why it's so important to have articles like Janice's, pointing out that the GRA was intended to protect people who "present" as the opposite sex, and who have always existed, throughout history, from prejudice and discrimination - without expecting us all to sign up to the magical thinking that one can actually change sex. Of course people who identify as trans should live in a free and tolerant society, and be protected from discrimination. I think we all agree on that one.

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Feminist4 · 10/11/2018 08:03

My trans daughter has been traumatised by the hatred and vitriol against trans women. She no longer feels safe anywhere. The anti trans movement are like hunters, using every method to grind down, humiliate and snare their prey

MacaroonMama · 10/11/2018 08:02

This is great Janice Flowers and exactly what we’ve been saying all along, so it is brilliant to have a Times article to share with friends who are halfway there but pulled by their liberal roots (aren’t we all?)

Thanks Janice for all you do

boatyardblues · 10/11/2018 07:57

Great article, Janice. Thank you!

WarmWishes · 10/11/2018 07:53

I did not know about Judith Butler or that she is the source of new ideas. Could anyone point me to sources that pithily explain her ideas, to save me from reading an entire book?

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