Pile on by TRAs

Hetty is my wife. My cis lesbian wife. And because she is pro self ID she is constantly accused of being a man and I am so fucking sick of it. Call her out for her opinion if you don’t like it but critiquing the way a woman looks because she doesn’t conform to your ideas of how a woman should behave is about as anti feminist as you can get.

This is really shitty behaviour. You’re supposed to be feminists but you think it’s ok to call a short haired lesbian a man.

I didn’t get arrested with my sisters at Greenham or march on Downing Street in the 80s for your kind of feminism. Shame on you, all of you and your homophobic bile.

I got piled on when I once responded to LOJ asking him not to call women 'cis' as it was offensive. I argued my point politely with a couple of tweeters but mostly just ignored.

The obscene abuse gets difficult though.

• clearly rational. No idea where the ‘rational’ in that first sentence disappeared to...

I mostly debate now with people who are clearly Unfortunately, sometimes unpleasant people butt in.

Namecalling almost always occurs when you have made a good point and they don’t have a rational response. In that case, I always point out that they’ve begun namecalling and seem unable to respond to my point.

If I asked a question and they failed to answer, I point that out and ask it again.

And if they continue to namecall, I explain I won’t engage any longer.

BUT if I’m getting properly narcissistic vibes, I block them immediately. I’m there under my real name and I won’t engage.

I'm not great at coming back with good arguments but just remember that - as with mumsnet - there are lots of lurkers who know scientific truth and will be seeing the attack and silently agreeing with you.

Many people have peak transed when they've seen the words of TRAs.

My KS2 child says got owned. That language makes me think they are using a similar level of communication.

Ask them. Don’t stand for any waffle about gender or ‘it being complicated.’ It isnt.

Can humans change sex?

If yes, how? (And have the Nobel prize committee number handy, their search is over!)

If no, then what on Earth are they basing all this on?

deepwatersolo

I would tell them that they should come back once they can define 'woman'. Before that is really pointless to discuss with them because they don't really know what they are talking about. Using words you can't define leads to meaningless blabber.

After that I'd disengage. Or repeat ad infinitum to anything: 'First define 'woman'!'

Frankly, I will never understand why people waste their energy discussing with people who can't even define the words they use.

Yep! I'm cheerful and polite but I keep asking them questions and pointing out their dodges. That's all, they usually go off in a huff lol.

Ask them if they think humans can change sex.

Funny, but even the most rabid advocates will never reply to me with a ‘yes.’

So I can only conclude they don’t actually believe it either.

Which then raises the question of why an entire belief system is based on something no one actually believes.

Saddos.

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You do realise of course that this thread is being trolled and comments on this thread are being copied and pasted.

Yeah, that's not going to be pleasant, AWAs like Hetty Spoon and co. are like Goady Fuckers from AIBU on speed. Personally, once piece is said I'd probably lock my account for a while and block them before returning. I'm very much not for making Twitter an echo chamber, but once some of those tweeters get the bit between their teeth, they will probably be quite dogged in pursuit. To mix some metaphors.

Soz Gamerchick! I didn't even realise that I did it. I don't normally. Won't again.

You don't have to apologise to me.

Ignore them or just tell them to fuck off
Honestly
80% of people on twitter act like dicks, if its not this it'll be something else eventually.

Now I am curious toe to toe?????

I'll reply maybe twice then no further engagement. If you're in the middle of a pile on I would make my account private for a day or two til they move on to another target and block the worst/most suspicious.

have a cis guy telling me...

Woke beardy dude-bro, just loving the way he can tell women what to do/think with impunity, I imagine.

I have 2 cis women telling me...

Mmm. IME there are a fair few TAs who claim to be "cis" to try and sway arguments - I've seen a couple uncovered recently, by great twitter-detectives who have found related blogs/tweets relating to their "transition" or "taking hormones".

Otherwise, I would called them "friends of Serena Joy" and block them.

They treat twitter wars like a full time job. Honestly pathetic. I can't read what the thread is about properly because my twitter keeps glitching. From what I can see they are trotting out the same old tropes.