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Mumsnet is breaching section 26 of the Equality Act 2010 (harassment) by hosting feminist forums that discuss gender-critical issues - legal case?

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MsJeminaPuddleduck · 09/11/2018 08:22

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09/11/2018, 08:16
Have just seen this. Argument is Mumsnet is breaching section 26 of the Equality Act 2010 (harassment) by hosting feminist forums that discuss gender-critical issues. pic.twitter.com/WVkBMxZeqv

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WitchfinderGeneralHarrumph · 12/11/2018 11:35

@breastfeedingclownfish - looked a little further into "Susie" who has been much retweeted by "learned" friends and others. I'll leave the link here for Susie's Periscope where they ask their viewers for their age. Make your own mind up as to why a middle-aged man with bunches and eyeshadow would want / need that info.

Needmoresleep · 12/11/2018 10:55

My mother has demenita can be very personal and rude to anyone and everyone.

Her sheltered housing finally asked me to provide her with an escort for lunch. The trigger was that she was pointing to a MtF carer and saying "look at that man in a dress". Nothing too offensive when attitudes of her generation were factored in. I agreed, though its costing about £250.00pw, partly because I feel for other residents and staff who get the sharp end of my mothers tongue, and because a care home would cost more and my mother would like it less but was irritated that action was taken when someone was trans was affected, rather than someone who was: short, "stupid", fat, black or had whatever other characteristic that my mother decided to observe. There seems to be some sort of specific fear about misgendering. I don't even think that the trans-carer complained, and suspect that given the option they might have preferred to have had the money.

NotaRealLawyer · 12/11/2018 10:27

I was once approached by a group of excellent and caring nurses who were very upset indeed.
Despite their best efforts to care for the elderly on a ward, the patients were very rude, and calling them names, when the staff cared for them.
The nurses, who did not have English as a first language, were sick of being called " dog".
After an of investigation, I explained that: the older patients were calling them " duck", which was a local term of warm affection.

People make mistakes or don't understand. That is not malicious.

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 12/11/2018 10:02

I know of a trans person who works in a hospital and complains when they are misgendered by patients. These are often old and seriously ill people.

FekkoThePenguin · 12/11/2018 09:56

In the Great Scheme of Things, calling a man a woman or a woman a man or puppy is not The End of the World.

As I told my stroppy teen only this weekend - there are people in the world right this minute being born into slavery, starving and freezing to death, living at war - and they didn't choose this life. Get over yourself.

littlbrowndog · 12/11/2018 09:43

Jeez live sex shows
Eek

BeUpStanding · 12/11/2018 09:35

Not just Haden. Helen from Mermaids also retweeted, which is a disturbing interesting choice considering how many parents and young people must follow her on Twitter.

Mumsnet is breaching section 26 of the Equality Act 2010 (harassment) by hosting feminist forums that discuss gender-critical issues - legal case?
FekkoThePenguin · 12/11/2018 09:05

I hurt my eyed rolling them 🙄🙄🙄

breastfeedingclownfish · 12/11/2018 09:00

Look at who Hayden retweets. 'Susie' has interesting hobbies.

Mumsnet is breaching section 26 of the Equality Act 2010 (harassment) by hosting feminist forums that discuss gender-critical issues - legal case?
Mumsnet is breaching section 26 of the Equality Act 2010 (harassment) by hosting feminist forums that discuss gender-critical issues - legal case?
Alltheprettyseahorses · 12/11/2018 08:54

Hayden seems to have set themselves up as a public figure and surely public criticism and appraisal comes with that role. From that angle, it's hard for me to see such a case succeeding. It'd be the end of sleb magazines.

R0wantrees · 12/11/2018 08:10

But say you are a trans woman (I dont mean a transsexual) and a doctor-surely you would say your gender is woman. And you could have a penis. Or am I splitting hairs too much?

I do have to say it is one of the most important times for a woman to feel safe - to be able to choose to see a doctor without a penis.

This is an important case to consider

December 2017
'NHS trust apologises to woman after ‘nurse with stubble and deep voice’ tried to take smear test'
The NHS has apologised to a woman who was left “embarrassed and distressed” after a nurse with stubble and a deep voice was going to carry out her cervical smear test at hospital.
(extract)
The woman requested a female NHS nurse to perform the intimate procedure but was dismayed when a staff member with “an obviously male appearance” greeted her. When the patient pointed out the mistake, the nurse replied: “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual.”

“[It was] weird where somebody says to you: ‘My gender is not male’ and you think: ‘Well, what does that even mean? You are clearly a man’.”

The woman declined to go ahead with the examination – given to women aged 25 to 49 every three years and every five years for women aged 50 to 64 – and complained about her treatment. She stressed her complaint was not about the nurse’s appearance or gender status.

It is understood the nurse self-identified as a woman but had not been employed on that basis. He saw the patient only because of a clerical error. “[It was] weird where somebody says to you: ‘My gender is not male’ and you think: ‘Well, what does that even mean? You are clearly a man’, the woman told the Sunday Times. “[The nurse] had an obviously male appearance . . . close-cropped hair, a male facial appearance and voice, large number of tattoos and facial stubble.” The patient said it was “bad enough for a fortysomething mother”, but the effect of such an incident on her 17-year-old daughter would have been much worse" (continues)

James Caspian, a psychotherapist who specialises in working with transgender people, said self-certification would create many similar situations arising in the future. “Politicians have not thought through all the implications of allowing self-certification,” he said.

The patient has requested anonymity for herself and the clinic because of fears it or the nurse could be criticised.

The appointment for was on September 16 last year in an NHS clinic run by the Central and North West London NHS Foundation Trust. It said: “We apologised to this patient for the recording error and because the staff member accepted they didn’t manage the situation appropriately; the patient needed to feel listened to. Trust policy is to consider seriously all requests for clinicians of a particular gender.”

more at: [[https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-woman-transgender-nurse-smear-test/]]

Mumfun · 11/11/2018 18:38

@jeanhatchet No I hadnt clicked that. Thanks

But say you are a trans woman (I dont mean a transsexual) and a doctor-surely you would say your gender is woman. And you could have a penis. Or am I splitting hairs too much?

I do have to say it is one of the most important times for a woman to feel safe - to be able to choose to see a doctor without a penis.

Jeanhatchet · 11/11/2018 18:30

@Mumfun ..... did you notice that when you click the drop
Down it only gives the options "man" or "woman"?

Mumfun · 11/11/2018 16:05

@Jeanhatchet the GMC doctors register lists gender and not sex. This is highly concerning to me as if an adult human female wants to check for an adult human female doctor which can be extremely important, you cant!

Has anyone raised this with the GMC ?

FrumpyTrumpy · 11/11/2018 13:47

I would love for MN to just make a statement along the lines of

"we're fucking Mumsnet, our advertisers aren't worried about what a couple furries and some 60 year old men who call themselves Bambi think. They're going to keep advertising because we own their demographic. Politicians are going to keep coming on and going down in flames talking about hobnobs because they need us to win elections"

madmum5811 · 11/11/2018 13:08

Thanks Jean, interesting, I am no wiser, what is a GMC approved training programme, does it mean you are on probation as a junior registrar type thingy because it says he is registered with a licence to practice. Clear as mud....

GMC Reference Number
7266505
Given Names
Adrian Antony
Surname
Harrop
Gender
Man
Status
Registered with a licence to practise
More Details
Primary Medical Qualification
MB ChB 2012 University of Manchester
Provisional Registration Date
19 Jul 2012
Full Registration Date
07 Aug 2013
Specialist Register entry date
This doctor is not on the Specialist Register
GP Register entry date
This doctor is not on the GP Register
Revalidation Information
This doctor is subject to revalidation
Training Information
This doctor is in a GMC approved training programme
Information for Employers
View information for Employers

MrsBertBibby · 11/11/2018 12:56

I see doctors are either Man or Woman.

I hope he is doing something about that.

NotaRealLawyer · 11/11/2018 12:43

I gave them some feedback Jean

Wauden · 11/11/2018 12:18

Silly little men.

lilmishap · 10/11/2018 23:33

So we moving to Dadsnet then?

madmum5811 · 10/11/2018 23:19

So odd tried to find Adrian Harrop on wikipedia, he is not there. Is he a medical doctor?

lilmishap · 10/11/2018 23:16

Being told to refer to a man as a woman by him because he wants her to, is no different to her referring to a man as a man because she wants to.

Unless we are about to get a He overrules Her in law because of sex and feelings how can this work?

lilmishap · 10/11/2018 23:13

How is it harrasment. Logging in and clicking the feminism threads are not unavoidable actions plus the use of language in relation to beliefs is protected?

I know English, I've been told some people prefer me to use incorrect pronouns and collective nouns, I prefer not to.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 10/11/2018 23:07

Thanks Android

I shall sit tight and wait to see if a helpful precedent is set

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