WTF Teen Vogue?

Hahahaha Teen Vogue is Dr Hardup's biggest fan this week. Says it all really.
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Nowadays though the prevalance of what used to be considered hardcore porn has given the men and boys a much much longer bucket list to coerce younger girls into trying.

Exactly. Anal sex isn't a new invention, for goodness sake. It's always been around. It's just that most women get nothing out of it except pain. Or discomfort.

But, before the advent of wall-to-wall Internet porn, the suggestion of anal sex would frequently be met with, eeww, no thanks.

Now you are called a prudish, sex shaming pearl clutcher.

Except nothing has changed. Other than certain men's porn driven sense of entitlement.

"It might be distasteful but young people do do it and I'd rather they knew how to do it safely."

Comment at the end of this article said :

"This article has been updated to include the importance of using protection during anal sex."

Right so this article in its original form did not include that information, and safe to say the intent of the original article was NOT around how to have anal safely if you fancy trying it.

What is this "distasteful" thing about.

Fucking young girls up the arse is illegal.Lots of men have recently gone to prison for sexual exploitation of girls in case you hadn't noticed. And certainly loads of non-arrested non-prosecuted non-noticed relationships between girls 13 -16 say and older boys and men where there is pressure for the girls to perform the acts that he wants to try/ tick off or that he wants are common. They always were. Nowadays though the prevalance of what used to be considered hardcore porn has given the men and boys a much much longer bucket list to coerce younger girls into trying.

This is nothing to do with distatse, the women posting on here have lived lives, and you have no idea what our teenage years and relationships have involved.

Christ 14 is so young isn't it, and girls are so easy to manipulate which is why so many men target them.

"Agreed, if 75% of girls don't want anal, then 75% of the articles should be "how to say no to your boyfriend" rather than "you'll probably love it really"."

This. Girls need to be given more tools to say no, go away, leave me alone, boys and men don't leave you alone at this age, between men staring / commenting / following etc etc and asking for sex acts and any boyfriends just pushing and pushing for more and more so they can tick their personal sex bucketlist it's just relentless.

We need articles telling men and boys to back off not ones telling us it's "delightful" when men fuck you up the arse and failing to even bother mentioning the clitoris or even bloody putting it on the diagram.

I was sick of this shit when I was a girl and now I'm sick of this shit on behalf of the younger generation.

Just got to anita green's comments and interested where you grew up.

I am in my early 40s and at 14 there were only maybe 4 girls in my class who were not virgins (aside from the ones who statistically must have been sexually abused that we didn't know about) and I can tell you that they were not doing anal on the regular and "loving it".

Idea that it's standard for 14yo girls to be having anal sex with men is really worrying especilly coming from another women. It's something that is quite (and always used to be seen as) an "advanced" sex act >> quite a bit of effort, need to know what you're doing, can be painful if done wrong, lots of people don't want or like it.

IF many/most 14yo girls are having anal on the regular in your town it implies that they are becoming sexually active younger than that and / or being groomed TBH.

I find it odd that you see this as something to celebrate / normalise.

I imagine it's because mums on here had quite a lot to say about anal sex, little of it positive. And maybe the two editors of teen vogue took it personally as commentary on their sex life and extended it to homophobia.

As far as I remember, though, certainly initially, no one knew who the editors were, much less that they were a gay couple.

It made them look like overreacting teenagers.

The narrative that women who are concerned about young girls being pressured into anal sex or any other sexual activity they might not be on board with, are homophobic, prejudiced and 'kink shamers' is really quite sinister.

I agree. But given that last time mumsnet were accused of homophobia (even though no one had any idea who the editors were), I imagine that suggestion would met with accusations of sexism.

I don't care that he has a boyfriend. I do care that his magazine doesn't think it's important to mention the clitoris in an article about sex aimed at girls, and I think the failure to do so indicates that maybe it would be a good idea to have a female editor.

Threw a tantrum and tried to shock the mums by posting a picture snogging his boyfriend and giving them the finger.

When all I thought was 'what a child'.

Also, why is the editor of Teen Vogue a man in the first place?

My question is why the editor, who seems to be a gay man, cares so much about young women being willing to take it up the bum. It's not as if he would have the slightest interest in being the giver in that scenario, so why is he so invested in promoting anal to young girls that his response to the various issues with the article being pointed out was to throw a tantrum and accuse them of homophobia? The article is about het couples having sex, nothing to do with gay people.

I hope I've done my bit for the next generation standing up to this pernicious porn influenced coercive abuse.

Indeed. One of the popular porn searches is anal prolapse.

Abusing, humiliating and hurting women is real turn on for certain men.

I believe they've actually mentioned the clitoris this time. But still forgot to put it on the diagram.

They also left off condoms, before. Or added them after a Twitter spat/as an afterthought.

Mostly what I remember was a very disturbing thread throughout which maintained how you have to take it slowly, use loads of lube, you should be able to say stop when it hurts, etc but after every comment like that, then saying but it's fun, you'll like it, it's brilliant.

The overall impression was yes, it's painful, not great for women, but do it anyway because it's cool, boys like it and we love it.

Well I have unequivocally taught my DD's that any man who asks for this isn't respectful and should be dumped forthwith. And told them to tell their friends. I remember a lecture on imperforate anus, (when a baby is born with anus either absent or not fully formed), the surgeon waxed lyrical on what a wonderful thing an anus is, it can contain solids, liquids and gas. Try doing that with your hands. Depending on the severity some babies may require a colostomy and their childhood may be blighted with surgical interventions. As I explained to DD's some unfortunate people would love nothing more than a fully functioning anus and the ability to control their toilet habits. So LOVE YOUR ANUS. Take care of it. Remember it's a one way street. Good luck to people out there who enjoy a bit of anal but no one will ever change my pov and I hope I've done my bit for the next generation standing up to this pernicious porn influenced coercive abuse.

That article has been edited and re released a few months ago. The original one was in 2017. I wonder what they changed? I don't remember them saying it was ok not to want to do it or read about it before.

Also, no mention of how it will probably take the male partner 2 minutes to ejaculate, meaning the adolescent girl will literally get nothing out of this other than pain unless they are given a lot of other bodily stimulation (including that of the non-depicted clitoris).

AngryAttackKittens haha, bravo! Yes, it's a real game changer isn't it? I got that too 'it's different', which of course reveals it for the one way street entirely caught up with female humiliation for his pleasure that it actually is. I'm presuming we're both a bit older than those reading Teen Vogue though, fewer f*s given if we get told we're 'frigid' and the like in the face of male sexual entitlement.

Which group is more irritating - poly evangelists, sex industry evangelists, anal sex evangelists? All seem congenitally incapable of accepting "but I just don't want to" as a response.

I've deployed the "you first, if you're so keen" line to great effect also. Not one has ever said "sure!", the response has always been "but that's different". At which point you make them try to explain why.

What a low, low bar some people set for women's sexual enjoyment and autonomy if it's mostly about explaining how she can avoid pain and injury doing it.

Bloody hell, how true.

For a moment I thought they'd done another article trying to encourage tween girls to try anal, but this is the same one as before, which I suppose is some relief.

Notice that there's no clitoris on that diagram, because according to Teen Vogue sex is something vagina havers ought to do to Please Their Man.

When I've slept with a guy and he's asked for anal sex I've always said 'you first'. So far none of them have taken me up on it. I've done the same when a guy has suggested I go down on a woman, I sais I'd have to watch him get bummed first - again, no takers. THIS is what girls' magazines should be teaching them to do, not piling on the pressure even further and legitimising rapey men's demands. We live in a climate where sex has turned into women being props in men's porno driven fantasies, female pleasure not even on the list of priorities. If women want to do it, that's fine, but most don't and are already being pressured enough without this s* from a mag that's supposed to be for them, grooming them in their adolescence.

Mine is an all too common story, datun

There's probably a whole new thread in it.

SophoclesTheFox

Infuriating and depressing.

Framing women as props for a man's sex life. Pernicious and far to prevalent an attitude. Gynaecologists, ffs.

for you.