Oxford students going after Jenni Murray (again)

"She is amazing. The twitter quote suits a purpose to make the TRAs look like the foolish cowardly dicks they truly are. "
Righto! Got the picture now, thanks KatVonGulag

Rowan and all, you have me on a steep learning curve here. I'm doing my best to keep up.

Nauticant That is brilliant!

Every hour is Woman's Hour on here, thanks MN

I skim read this title yesterday and my sleep addled brain literally replaced Jenni Murray with Germaine Greer. Just had time to re read and am just so and that these students are so precious, entitled and silly.

But, reading this thread, I'm not so surprised it happened now. It feels like there's a small cohort of people driving this agenda across the universities.

This is the story that has brought the crazy in to a work related Twitter account I manage. Before today, not a single trans story has surfaced and this one has prompted a wave of incredulity.
I do wonder how long they can hold on to their belief that it is a only a small, niche group of ageing women who take issue with the TRA agenda!

Here's my favourite thing from the twitter thread linked to above.

Worth remembering that the slideshow shown at NUS Women's 18 conference in a workshop run by two trans students was connected to MN intern Emma Healey and subsequent data breach.
The NUS officers were Eden Ladleye & Rowan Davies.
Davies (non-binary transwoman) was an Oxford post-grad and on the NUS Women's Committee also nominated Jess Bradley for Trans Officer.

During discussion about the slideshow on thread below, Davies appealed to cis friends, EH asserted that she would get her friends at MN to take it down.
April 2018
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222263-Slide-show-on-How-to-Deal-with-TERFs

Don’t you need an A* English GCSE to go to Oxford?

I wouldn't have thought so (certainly don't for some STEM subjects at Cambridge) . Though I doubt it's the students whose stars were more on the science side who are leading this idiocy in the main.

I struggle to relate any part of this to my experience of Oxford in the 90s. We were either drunk, studying or having sex. My old tutor must be wincing at having to teach such a lot of mindless fools.

On the plus side, I have just ordered JM's book, which I would not otherwise have heard about, so cheers students.

On a lighter note, this must be the moment when a lot of mothers of Oxford TRAs finally lose sympathy for their little darlings.

Blue hair? Very nice dear. Being called 'they'? Whatever you say. Calling national treasure Dame Jenni Murray a dangerous T**F witch? JUST NO

I love that first sentence - it just lets the crazy speak for itself.

Absolutely.

She is amazing. The twitter quote suits a purpose to make the TRAs look like the foolish cowardly dicks they truly are.
Shame on them.

I'm FUMIN

I keep thinking of adults abused in childhood, whom I have been involved with, and their various stories. Including being brought up in cults/sects.

This is the same stuff.

“actual trans people"

‘Actual’? Who are the trans people who aren’t actually trans people?

Don’t you need an A* English GCSE to go to Oxford?

Yes. I came across this thinking a few months ago and remember the exact feelings!

Transmen have 'privilege' as they are men. They therefore must prioritise the experience of 'transwomen, transfemme' since to not do would be transmisogyny

Right, I'm following this flawed and warped thinking now.
So, we must all disregard the fact that they were born female, and were treated by Society as female in childhood and their lived experiences. Blimey!

I'm lost for words for a while, and my head hurts

It is as always about power.

This whole business about the poor little white male middle-class students of Oxford University being frightened of a middle-aged woman like Jenni Murray is, as we all know, bollocks. Not sure if it's been discussed elsewhere on here, but Lionel Shriver did a brilliant article in the Speccie this week about how the "snowflake" label is misguided: we all know that these nasty young men who pretend to be frightened, or to feel unsafe, or to have hurt feelings, are no such thing. They're just nasty bullies, out to shut people up.

Remember the gathering in support of Linda Bellos and Venica Allan outside Westminster Court? The TRAs didn't turn up to it because they thought they'd be "unsafe". What utter horseshit. We all know that middle-aged, highly-educated women are probably the least violent, least aggressive demographic in society. This whining about feeling unsafe is absolute crap, and we all know it.

Sorry, cross posted Bertrand
I agree re the hot choc and baked goods.

As an older woman, I squirmed a bit on that one.
Jenni is an articulate, bold, and intelligent woman. I imagine she can be quite fearsome. Not a cuddly stereotype Gran. She doesn't sit there reading " A Book at Bedtime" to us over the wireless.

Although I would quite like that.....

2. "Trans women and trans feminine people". What's happened to trans men? They always get the crumbs here, in this ill considered rhetoric.

Transmen have 'privilege' as they are men. They therefore must prioritise the experience of 'transwomen, transfemme' since to not do would be transmisogyny.

In NUS LGBTQ+ societies etc there has been considerable focus on this dynamic with female transmen been excluded from services and spaces etc by male transwomen/femme students.

Agree - but really confused about the total absence of TRAs, death threats etc. Where have they gone?

Thank you R0wantrees
I'm just reading the LGBTQ statement in the Times link.

“Her views, which clearly reflect a lack of engagement with the vast majority of actual trans people, and are in sum deeply harmful to trans women and trans feminine people, contributing to and exacerbating the harassment, marginalisation, discrimination and violence that they already face."
Eh?

1. What does "actual trans people" even mean? Surely not a smattering of privileged hooray Henrys, with their vintage local charity shop frocks, making ducky red lips on Twitter.

1. "Trans women and trans feminine people". What's happened to trans men? They always get the crumbs here, in this ill considered rhetoric. Are they facing erasure?

Am I the only person to be a bit pissed off with the “hot chocolate and baked goods” quote-even though it’s funny? Murray is a sharp and insightful woman with plenty to say- it seems a bit ...diminishing.. to me.

Twitter is cheering me up at the moment: Stonewall, Sam Levin, even the blessed Glenn Greenwald all getting their arses handed back on a plate, and now our brightest and finest LGBTQ society too. Well played world.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-s-hour-host-accused-of-transphobia-pulls-out-of-oxford-talk-k58pmbcgb?shareToken=05dedf9ff8b21cf1eaa21b75da46fbbd

Yes Twitter response on this and the stonewall post have been very encouraging.

Does anyone have a sharetoken for that Times article please?