This has made me start Wednesday off in a real grump - The Pool article

Grrrr. She is a journalist and she is only writing about the tragic death of that black woman to make a point that has absolutely nothing to do with her or black women in prison. Then she blames the rest of us women who aren't journalists for not knowing about that lady. Gives me the rage.

Nicknames

I've messaged them and asked for a piece on womens fears for their safety,dignity and privacy for some balance

I’d like to point out that my local church is raising funds for a new spire. Where are the feminists? Nowhere to be seen. They have abandoned intersectionality in the name of ecclisiastical exclusionism!

I'm fully in support of understanding and campaigning for issues that affect women from ethnic minorities and other cultures - although in the past feminists have been called racist or imperialist for doing so.

I'm fully in favour of campaigning on issues related to unfair incarceration of women, or unfair treatment of women in the judicial system.

I'm fully in favour of supporting women with mental illness, if as the article's author suggests they're treated unfairly because they're women.

All of that is within the scope of feminism.

Redefining 'woman' into meaninglessness is not feminism and does nothing to help with real issues.

I read this and it absolutely made my piss boil. I commented, messaged them, and then deleted everything because I don’t want to see their poorly written misogynistic shit again.

If they can point to any feminists saying black women aren’t women they might have a point.

Why is the author claiming that not including men in feminism is the same as not including black women?

I’m pretty sure that under this definition I’m not a woman because
I don’t have a gender identity.

I began reading that article genuinely horrified at the treatment of Sarah Reed. Like others I too have not heard of this case (so many women treated f'ing badly, sadly there are always going to be more and more that we may not be familiar with) and could see some validity in what the writer was trying to get across.

And then she called me "cis".
And then she called our "debate" around GRA a feminist failure? WTF?

Crickey I've been on MN for half an hour today and I feel like a could throttle someone

Well, when the uk has had a black woman as Foreign Secretary perhaps we could say we've done well?

Strengths and weaknesses on both sides.

Loving Elizabeth Cook's work on the fb comments.

That article is ridiculous. Raving about protecting vulnerable women one minute then bashing GC feminism the next. One thing that will genuinely make women like Sarah Reed more vulnerable is failing to provide them with single-sex services when they need them the most. Talking out of their arse, as per.

When the Americans elect two women presidents we’ll start taking lessons from them.

Scratch that, when the Americans elect two Republican women presidents we’ll start taking lessons from them.

Well i'm depressed to say i'd never heard of the case of Sarah Reed. Her treatment by the authorities and her death are incredibly shocking. That assault by the police officer

So im grateful to the author for putting Sarah Reed front and centre. It's difficult to tease apart the deadliness of treatment because of her mental health problems following the loss of her baby, her race and her sex. I'd probably put them in that order but i do think they all played a role in how she was abused and i guess that's what intersectionality means. The uk is certainly profoundly racist and being a feminist doesn't protect you from that. All agreed.

And trans isses come into it because...?

Another disappointing article from The Pool. I read it as I saw 'intersectional' with a picture of a black woman and I wanted to see if it would mention trans. It started off OK (although I agree there are a lot of feminist slating articles on there at the moment it seems) and then I saw 'cis gender' and knew it was going to go downhill from there. And downhill it went. Feminism must centre men otherwise its no feminism.

So cross with The Pool. Their last bloody awful about the GRA attracted lots of gender critical comments and I wondered if they were going to re-evaluate given the opinion of many of their readers. Obviously not. TWAW. Men must be part of feminism. Stupid women getting all hysterical about men in female prisons.

Goodbye The Pool.

So now they're trying to shut us up and stop us from speaking from OTHER COUNTRIES?!

I'm rather taken aback to learn that our voices are so powerful that we need to be de-platformed on a global scale.

Go Mumsnet! Go UK feminism (tho' I'm not sure how WEP or most liberal feminists feel about that)!

The most utterly rage inducing thing about this is that they use women in the criminal justice system as an example of British feminism not being intersectional - and yet a feminist who has been fighting for these women for literally decades, Julie Bindel, is one the soi-disant intersectional feminists happily no-platform.
It is such.a.bloody.cheek.

Oh, The Pool....how very very disappointing your are!

So, why does it matter that intersectionality remains at the forefront of feminist activism? Because the sad result of the mainstream British movement’s inability to be intersectional means the most marginalised and vulnerable women – women like me – are being failed, and our suffering is going unnoticed.

Her suffering? Women like her?

www.rookiemag.com/2018/09/think-beyond-yourself-an-interview-with-june-eric-udorie/

So yes. I can see how British feminists are leading the way here. We call a spade a spade and if you tell us it’s a fork we will laugh at you. And draw cartoons. And take the piss. And write letters. And organise. And fight. And refuse to be bowed.

YYY.

I am also rather proud of the British feminist pushback.

Changing the wording in guidelines and policies has been deliberately kept under the radar across the world.

However, what should never happen, has happened.
In women's prisons, women's sports etc, the awful problems caused by these changes will continue to happen.

As a result, the UK has a lot of resources and hard evidence worldwide.
Bring it on.

Weird article. Starts of with prisons and mental health of black women and then segues into trans. The fact that white middle class transwomen have been guilty of blatant racism seems to have passed her by.

So now they're trying to shut us up and stop us from speaking from OTHER COUNTRIES?!

I agree that we should be chuffed that our success has got somebody worried. Well they should be worried because I am not in the UK, I am in one of the countries mentioned and I am actively organizing here. I also am raising three teens to be Gender Critical. You can't gaslight 50% of the world's population.

Can I recommend this article in The Spectator by way of antidote?
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/mumsnet-and-the-british-media-arent-transphobic/

written in response to similar allegations by Edie Miller in Outline.
thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3416273-The-Spectator-Mumsnet-and-the-British-media-aren-t-transphobic

Bowlofbabelfish I just had a goosebump moment. So true.

Imo, any article using the word 'cis' clearly shows what side of the argument they are on.
Feminist concern for the problems that women face includes all women, globally.

Because they are women.
Not men.

Is this the latest tack, British feminists are all evil? Seems to be a theme lately.

I see it as a positive. We seem to be the only country with a critical mass of women actively fighting this. The British don’t like fascists, fundamentalists or being told what to think. We have a very sceptical, cynical but resilient culture. We are tolerant in the main. We have a long and proud tradition of lampooning the ridiculous regardless of how powerful they are. We don’t have a powerful church controlling us.
So yes. I can see how British feminists are leading the way here. We call a spade a spade and if you tell us it’s a fork we will laugh at you. And draw cartoons. And take the piss. And write letters. And organise. And fight. And refuse to be bowed.