US Elections Women's Fault/Responsibility

No of course. Nothing to offer but a woman with more experience than any candidate ever. But then the Republicans had a TV personality who'd gone bankrupt numerous times. I doubt many of the voters were former Obama supporters. A significant number of Obama supporters just didn't vote in 2016.

Thing is, a fair few of those white men / women / people will have voted Obama, some of them will have voted for him twice.

Bit simplistic of Bergdorf (and many others) to dismiss them as Redneck racists when, as RTB says, the Democrats had nothing to offer except identity politics and "Hillary's a woman! It's [insert current year].

Munroe also thinks that the fact that Brazilian trans sex workers are murdered at a high rate means that Munroe, a British transwoman who is not a sex worker, 'statistically only has 4 years left to live'.

Munroe isn't the brightest.....

More MB telling women we're womaning wrong.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3180386-Munroe-Bergdorf-for-Grazia-Women-Are-Getting-Feminism-Wrong

There's voter suppression to contend with too.

It is strange that Munroe has absolved men of all responsibility. I wonder why the men aren't being called out so vociferously.

If the Dems lose tomorrow, they won't lose the popular. Only question is whether they get enough to overcome gerrymandering.

That's cuz people got pissed in 2010 over death panel propaganda.

That 40% poll gets dissed because it's an outlier. NAACP poll in August said 14%.

I don't think the Dems will make gains.

What do they stand for apart from being against Trump atm?

The agenda is still lead by Trump. There isn't a leadership figure for the Dems.

There is a serious amount of gerrymandering going on. And a lot of Trump supporters are 'shy trumpers'. A lot of Americans really think he's doing a good job. And like racism and religious conservatism.

I'm not seeing enough of a lead for the Dems in the polling to offset that.

I'm worried.

Bergdorf has zero political analysis skills, in fact Bergdorf probably has zero skills full stop, so I propose to pay as much attention to Bergdorf as I usually do. Which is none, just in case that's not clear.

Ooo typo first paragraph. Should read "basically the same percentage of white women who voted GOP"

Apologize, BTW. I do get wonky sometimes.

Frumpy I defer to you on that for sure.

Honestly the Democrats should have had a thank you party or something for black women.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/4/idea-of-pro-trump-black-voters-terrifies-the-media/ Not an enjoyable read, but it's better to read it than waft it away like so many centrist and left wingers in the US apparently have. I wish they would take this sort of thing seriously BEFORE they lose elections to elite and cruel misogynists.

Only 4% of Black women voted for Trump which is a tiny amount. 94% for Clinton.

Support from Trump among black people of both sexes polled was at around 40% by one number.

Fwiw I also think the Reps will retain both houses.

It would not surprise me, given Dems have given up any policies that would make the lives of their natural base significantly better. Being against Trump is simply not enough.

Tbf to Munroe they're only the 10 millionth person to say this since Trump won the election. see, they're not even can't even be original

It's been a particular annoyance for me since the election.

People who voted for Trump in order.

White men
White women
Black men
Black women

So really the only way it makes since to blame white women, is to blame white people as white men were far more likely to vote for Trump.

but to do that would be missing a great chance to be a cunt and blame women.

Even more bizarrely, "Black people" voted for Hillary. Even though they didn't really. black women were the only group to almost unanimously not fuck about and vote for Clinton.

So as the focus was on how "white women" lost the election, you think the media would focus on how "black women" tried to swing it for Clinton. But no, because to do that would be to give a woman, a black woman credit. Can't be doing that. So they just picked and choose, and surprise surprise no man got any of the blame and no woman got any of the credit.

Fwiw I also think the Reps will retain both houses

I think munroe is one of those who think they make better women than we do.

One demographic of women voted for Trump = white non college educated women, dragging the total number of white women, college and noncollege up to a bare majority of 54% for Trump, basically the same percentage of white women voted voted during both Obama campaigns (56% and 55% respectively)

How white women voted was an entirely predictable phenom. Hillary's campaign planned for it, and the white women's vote story is utterly boring (until this year at least -- I have hopes for the midterms), unless you have an agenda that involves blaming white women.

The Democrats haven't carried a majority of whites, male or female, in decades.

However, white men preferred Trump over Hillary by 12 points, a significantly larger percent than voted for Romney over Obama (7 points). It's also the widest gender (sic) gap since 1972.

All this stuff was nicely and promptly broken down by Pew Research after the election, but a few pundits took it upon themselves to explain it as if the white female vote was something new and then it took root on Twitter.

If you look at the real numbers, not only are white men responsible for Trump, but the thing strongly smells of misogyny.

But hey, who wants to be confronted when there's a women nearby to blame.

Mn lost Maryz at the same time. When I look at mn fwr now compared to then, it feels like a foot has been put down over the episodes of extreme moderation by a very small number of moderators cough which lost mn some of its most popular posters.

Is Bergdorf the one who told us all not to talk about our vaginas on the women’s march?

That's right. As pp have said, Munroe doesn't appear to like us inferior women very much.

No, it was the Stella Creasy thread.

It was the NSPCC thread I think. Lots of people were suspended. Some of us begged and genuflected. Bewilder was having none of it.