Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

Of course they aren't, and in my experience, the ones who aren't tend to understand why some spaces are segregated by sex and are happy for that situation to continue.

This. Boundary violation is a huge red flag. I don't want any male in single sex female spaces (period) but especially one who thinks women's consent doesn't matter.

Earlywalker how is someone in a female space supposed to tell the difference between a transwoman who has a GRC (a very very small number) and one who doesn't? And if you think that transwomen without GRCs should be allowed in female spaces, then what is the criteria for that? Surgery? Hormones? A dress and long hair? I know you disagree with self id so your threshold must be above that, but where is it?

seem resistant to the idea of helpfully wearing badges

IKR? Bastards. That would be a sensible solution.

Not all men are entitled and predatory.

Of course they aren't, and in my experience, the ones who aren't tend to understand why some spaces are segregated by sex and are happy for that situation to continue.

Exactly. Why is Earlywalker rewriting history?

Unfortunately the men who are entitled and predatory seem resistant to the idea of helpfully wearing badges, so the only option is to exclude adult males as a group from women's spaces.

No one is fighting to stop transmen coming in their spaces though

Gay sauna issue the other day?

Safety is not the only concern- privacy and dignity are just as important and apply to men too.

I think the more this affects men the more they will push back.

The police were called to the Man Friday guys when they went for a swim at the men's pond in Hampstead iirc, so some men do care...

And a transman was asked to leave a sauna for gay men.

Perhaps a vital comma was missing that lead me to read your sentence not as you intended.

LOL. You're quite something. But given that you don't understand clear dictionary definitions, I'm not surprised.

Not all men are entitled and predatory.

No, and the vast majority of spaces are unisex and generally sex discrimination is illegal - hooray!

That doesn’t mean that there is no need for single sex services, because inclusion also means recognising difference.

The police were called to the Man Friday guys when they went for a swim at the men's pond in Hampstead iirc, so some men do care...

The article that I posted previously. We have no data on trans people holding a GRC and their crimes so it is impossible to comment on their patterns of criminal activity,

Whilst that's true, the only study of it of its kind, used men and women with gender dysphoria. They had the diagnosis. So they already had the criteria for a GRC. (This was in Sweden, so not exactly the same laws.)

The gender dysphoria made no difference. They conformed to male pattern criminality.

Men with AGP, it would appear, offend at higher rates than men in general, or men with gender dysphoria. But men with gender dysphoria do not suddenly offend the same rate as women.

Why would they?

So how are women supposed to tell the 'real' trans people from the likes of Karen White et al?

What is it like to be trapped in a cubicle with a predatory man outside? How does asking to see their GRC help you?

Ereksh I didn’t deliberately twist your words. Perhaps a vital comma was missing that lead me to read your sentence not as you intended.

we have no data on trans people holding a GRC and their crimes so it is impossible to comment on their patterns of criminal activity

There are less than 3k of them. That's a tiny population. What material difference do you think that piece of paper would possibly make?

No one is fighting to stop transmen coming in their spaces though

Because

1. They aren’t men so women concerned about men don’t care.

2. Men don’t generally feel physically threatened by people who are biologically female.

It would be transphobic and illegal to exclude anyone because they are trans.

We are talking about excluding people because of their biological sex.

Can I ask what you're basing that on?

The article that I posted previously. We have no data on trans people holding a GRC and their crimes so it is impossible to comment on their patterns of criminal activity, all we have is a a group of people in prison claiming to be when asked but do not hold a GRC. Also basing it partly on common sense that cubicals are pretty closed off and what you see outside of a cubical, is what you see standing outside of a toilet enterance and you Can do that without a skirt.

Karen Jones, a convicted male born killer, attempted to rape a woman in a women's underwear store, and blamed her gender dysphoria for the crime.

Men are now beginning to actually blame the psychological condition for them acting 'out of character'.

I don't know if you've read many narratives of men with severe gender dysphoria, but their affinity for women is less than zero. Many of them are desperately jealous and resentful.

Not all obviously. But enough. And yes, the likes of Jane Fae, India Willoughby, Sarah Brown. Aggressive and entitled.

Or Juno Roch e. Absolutely obsessed with their vagina. Seriously, not someone you would want to share a changing room with, apart from anything else writes articles about exposing themselves in there and getting aroused.

Not all men are entitled and predatory.

Don't twist people's words. Practice what you preach.

OK, when we reach the "not all men!" stage of this conversation then I officially run out of patience.

men don’t care (obviously)

Oh I think they might, if females so blatantly took the piss as some MTFs and didn't bother to try to look male at all.

Your friend is a female with a serious psychological condition which leads to severe depression. Not an entitled predatory person born and socialised as a male.

Not all men are entitled and predatory. Not being allowed to be a man is what lead him to try to commit suicide, since he’s lived as a man he no longer suffers with depression.

I think the motivations for transition for transmen and for transwomen on average may be quite different, particularly if we're using the Stonewall definition, which is what most orgs are using.

Again though, it comes back to, it appears that the majority of women don't consent to male people in our spaces. If men don't care, great, that's up to them to decide. But many women do, and that matters. I do not agree that it's acceptable to enforce a not at all genuine not-caring on women out of some asinine sense of "equality".

i’d be a lot more invested in their access to the spaces they wanted to be in than that of transwomen, so it really is off that Early is so focused on the scenario that isn't directly to the benefit of their friend.

No one is fighting to stop transmen coming in their spaces though, men don’t care (obviously) but I don’t think transmen are more important than transwoman, they both have gender dysphoria.

I do not think that preventing a trans person with a GRC certificate from getting changed in a closed cubicle within their desired sex changing rooms is really a threat

Can I ask what you're basing that on?