Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

And I agree with Bowl, issues surrounding age of consent and parent access to information affect everyone.

If information is withheld from a child’s legal guardian, who is responsible for the child? These aren’t inconsequential things.

I was also disappointed in mumsnet that an organisation that deals with so many issues relating to children abuse currently around, were not posed many questions that didn’t rely solely on a tiny amount of kids that are transgender

What question did you ask early?

I didnt ask any question if that helps so its not a trick question

I was also disappointed in mumsnet that an organisation that deals with so many issues relating to children abuse currently around, were not posed many questions that didn’t rely solely on a tiny amount of kids that are transgender.

So you agree that self ID and related trans ideology is harmful. You think people should sit down and talk to the organisations that support it. But you don’t think people should ask questions on a web chat?

It doesn’t matter how many trans people there are. The loss of the ability to recognise biological sex is a pretty massive issue, wouldn’t you say?

I can see why someone might think that is an exaggeration - it is all a bit unbelievable - until you look at advice given to schools, the people advising them etc. etc.

Male threat is about power. That's why Karen Jones' victim thought she was going to die, despite the fact that the reason Karen Jones didn't actually commit the rape was because she couldn't get an erection.

Yes. After Karen Jones gagged her with a lemon and physically overpowered her, because male.

. I was also disappointed in mumsnet that an organisation that deals with so many issues relating to children abuse currently around, were not posed many questions that didn’t rely solely on a tiny amount of kids that are transgender.

Safeguarding protects all children.
The people arguing for children to have the ability to consent to life changing surgery and sterilisation at young ages (age five by the way is where mermaids say children have autonomy) are placing all children in danger - because if a child can consent to something so fundamental what else can they consent to? Sex perhaps?

They are endangering all children because they advocate confidential disclosure, whoch goes against the very basics of safeguarding.

The TRA aims will, by design or accident, destroy child safeguarding. That has a potential impact on all children.

If you think confidential disclosure is ok, I’d like to hear your reasoning

If you think removing parental rights from parents (whoch can currently only be done by the courts, but will be able to be done by teachers and others) is a good thing, I’d like to hear your reasoning.

If you think a five year old can consent to sterilisation and life altering drug/surgical intervention I’d like to hear your reasoning.

If you think all the parties pushing so hard for the age of competence to consent for children to be lowered are benign, you’re naive. But I’d like to hear your reasoning all the same.

This is not a benign movement. It has demands which will impact on women and children - and yet allow men muchbincreased access to women’s bodies and children.

I was also disappointed in mumsnet that an organisation that deals with so many issues relating to children abuse currently around, were not posed many questions that didn’t rely solely on a tiny amount of kids that are transgender

All my questions, FYI, were indeed about gender-questioning children. I wanted to know why guidance for schools produced by adult activists put the very children they are advocating for outside current safeguarding frameworks and therefore at increased risk of abuser infiltration.

So, in my book, I have more genuine concern for these kids than adult TRAs do - and more, frankly, than you do too, since you're here moaning at us about it despite being clearly ignorant of the facts on the ground.

Early, I must say I admire your perseverance.

A fully transitioned transwoman has no penis to rape you with or flash you with, that’s why I mentioned it in response to the whole ‘I don’t want a penis in my changing room’ obviously.

Should men who have lost their genitals through injury or disease also use the female toilets if they wish? Lack of penis doesn't make you female.

Strewth

None so blind, Datun, none so blind.

. I was also disappointed in mumsnet that an organisation that deals with so many issues relating to children abuse currently around, were not posed many questions that didn’t rely solely on a tiny amount of kids that are transgender.

It's not about kids who are transgender! Its about the wholesale obliteration of safeguarding because of an ideology!!!

You might as well complain why are women talking to women aid about the small number of men who are rapists.

Strewth.

Male threat is about power. That's why Karen Jones' victim thought she was going to die, despite the fact that the reason Karen Jones didn't actually commit the rape was because she couldn't get an erection.

Indeed. The 3 teenage boys - classmates - who sexually assaulted my friend on the way home from school didn't use their penises...

I’ve already said I don’t support self ID (thus the organisations implementing this) so I don’t know why you’re all hounding me as if I’m fully on board with girl guides decisions or whatever.

No-one thinks you're fully on board. It was about you saying that if all these extremists are implementing policy, have you tried talking to the organisations concerned?

Yes, we have. All of them. Over and over. It's made no difference.

I don’t think transwoman are all stereotypes at all? The ones I worked with wore jeans and minimal makeup with their hair tied back.. what is this a stereotype of? The ones you see shouting about may we’ll be, they are a very small sample.

early the stereotype doesn't have to be clothes. What else can it possibly be, other than a stereotype?

They can't actually become a physical woman. So what's left?

A fully transitioned transwoman has no penis to rape you with or flash you with

Male threat is about power. That's why Karen Jones' victim thought she was going to die, despite the fact that the reason Karen Jones didn't actually commit the rape was because she couldn't get an erection.

Shall I start shouting transphobic every time you guys question anything? Oh wait I can’t, I’m not allowed to say anything bad about any of you (and I haven’t called anyone transphobic or bigoted) but you can all judge and say as much as you like about me, cus that’s how it all works. I thought that was a man thing tbh.

Eh?

Also worth noting Testosterone causes things such as increased muscle and bone mass (thus men are typically stronger) it is also a huge factor in aggression.

Still higher than a woman but not that of a typical everyday Male.

A fully transitioned transwoman has no penis to rape you with or flash you with, that’s why I mentioned it in response to the whole ‘I don’t want a penis in my changing room’ obviously.

I saw the NSPCC chat, I was disappointed they didn’t come on. I was also disappointed in mumsnet that an organisation that deals with so many issues relating to children abuse currently around, were not posed many questions that didn’t rely solely on a tiny amount of kids that are transgender.

I’ve already said I don’t support self ID (thus the organisations implementing this) so I don’t know why you’re all hounding me as if I’m fully on board with girl guides decisions or whatever.

I don’t think transwoman are all stereotypes at all? The ones I worked with wore jeans and minimal makeup with their hair tied back.. what is this a stereotype of? The ones you see shouting about may we’ll be, they are a very small sample.

My point was not homophobic, responding with ‘you could say that about lesbians if you want to use that arguement’ type statement in response to thinking transwoman are interested in your body.

Shall I start shouting transphobic every time you guys question anything? Oh wait I can’t, I’m not allowed to say anything bad about any of you (and I haven’t called anyone transphobic or bigoted) but you can all judge and say as much as you like about me, cus that’s how it all works. I thought that was a man thing tbh.

Has anyone sat down with these organisations and explained to them why self ID is dangerous?

Yes. Us. All. The. Fucking. Time.

Most recently, on here: the NSPCC came for a webchat. Saw the questions and pulled out. Statement provided: we do not believe there are any issues.

They still couldn’t explain why girls and boys shouldn't share sleeping and changing accommodation.

And this is the exact conflict that early can't logically resolve.

No, you can't come in, unless you say some magic words. Then it's fine.

What is the difference? What is the difference between a man and a transwoman that makes one a threat and the other not?

Apart from the one demanding entry claiming women are nothing more than a stereotype.

Just to clarify- I asked GG those questions with no mention of trans.

They still couldn’t explain why girls and boys shouldn't share sleeping and changing accommodation.

My point was exactly what you’ve just said QuentinWinters that just because they are a transwoman does not mean they are ogling you. It was in response to another comment in the thread.
Yes well you didn't need to make a point about lesbians to illustrate that. That's why you were homophobic.

Has anyone sat down with these organisations and explained to them why self ID is dangerous?

Jesus. Half of FWR threads are the documentation of trying to communicate with these orgs!

I’ve had some absolute crackers from Girl Guides who could not even explain to me why girls and boys are segregated at all. This is the same Girl Guides who have done fantastic surveys of girls and uncovered exponential rates of sexual harassment in schools. But they are unable to say why girls and boys should perhaps not sleep in the same tents, or why they include males on their risk assessments.

Has anyone sat down with these organisations and explained to them why self ID is dangerous?

Early, you need to put aside a couple of days and actually read all the threads on here which offer a fairly comprehensive catalogue of women and women's groups trying to have dialogue with political parties, councils, organisations - and being absolutely refused, shut down and called "bigots", "transphobes" and the like for having the temerity ro want to discuss the impact on women.

They've even got a nice hashtag for it: NoDebate.

Fucking rabbits

Heh heh heh

But nobody does that, because it's only women who're expected to put ourselves last. Apparently being physically capable of giving birth means that you're the whole bloody universe's mum forever.

Or Save the Whales: "What about the fucking rabbits?"

This is an ideology which simply doesn't work within the feminist framework

See also Age Concern campaigning against discrimination against old people. Yet somehow nobody thinks they are excluding babies.