Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

Of course there is also a separate problem which is that doctors and academics are being prevented from carrying out research that questions access to reconstructive surgery and hormones, particularly for children.

Please don't talk about what Muslim women want unless you are one. (To earlywalker)

Isn’t that exactly what you are all doing? Or are you all Muslims? The hypocracy.

Oh right, so let me get this straight. An Islamic law was passed, but that law means nothing? You are aware of shari’a law yes? So Sharia law prohibits a woman from being undressed in the same room as a man that is not her husband, the same law says that transgender people were born transgender and not as their birth sex, but you still don’t get it?

it’s clear you don’t know a lot about Islam

Nonsense. I know a fair amount about Islam, such as there is no central authority that speaks for all Muslims, ie there is no Islamic equivalent of the Pope.

I also know that there are a variety of legal interpretations / schools of thought on Islam and what an imam from Al Azhar says apply to all.

Earlywalker Just to go back to the changing rooms issue, you seem to have missed this article. Figures from an FOI request in the UK, so more relevant here than American data.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

(But thanks for coming back to respond! )

earlywalker, you seem to be having a separate discussion about Jan Morris being able to use a ladies’ loo.

Regardless of my disagreement about classifying people by gender, I think the level of concern about people who have had full reconstructive surgery and who ‘live as female’ (whatever that means) is pretty low.

However that really isn’t where we are in 2018. I think you must be unaware of the level of change that has already happened.

Please don't talk about what Muslim women want unless you are one. (To earlywalker)
Fucksake.

jelly

Yeah i thought that as well

‘what about Muslim line

For the avoidance of any doubt

I trot out the 'what about the Muslim line' as you so delightfully put it because of SELF ID!!!!

Im not having my genuine concern for a muslim women coming face to face with a piss taking man (NOT a transwoman...an actual man) twisted about by you

Or is that concern 'faux' as well

The basis for this attitude of acceptance is the belief that a person is born transgender but chooses to be homosexual, making homosexuality a sin

Are you suggesting that the Iranian Ayatollahs are enlightened in their persecution of homosexuals?

it’s clear you don’t know a lot about Islam

LOL.

One person cannot make a pronouncement on behalf of 'Islam'. You know that all 'Islam' is not the same don't you? Sunni and Shia for a start.

I don’t think there would be any public consultation if it weren’t for ‘self proclaimed feminists’ making their voices heard. Maria Miller seemed quite happy with Self ID and nobody else was paying any attention.

Exactly. If nobody had made a fuss about this, they would have quietly passed the law by now, just like they did in 2004 and in Ireland a few years ago.

I understand that victims of sexual assault are weary, I have been there but by creating this enemy in this way, it’s not helping anyone.
Creating this enemy? What? By saying it's overwhelmingly men who assault women? Women are creating the enemy?
Fucking hell.

“As early as 1988, gender reassignment surgery was declared acceptable under Islamic law by scholars at Egypt’s Al-Azhar, the world’s oldest Islamic university. In Iran, in 1987, Ayatollah Khomeini declared transgender surgical operations allowable. The basis for this attitude of acceptance is the belief that a person is born transgender but chooses to be homosexual, making homosexuality a sin“

By the Islamic statement that people are born transgender, transwoman are not seen as men in Islam. Therefore there would be no conflict of interest with regards to a transwoman and a Muslim Woman in the same toilet with regards to her religion. She may personally not like it which is absolutely fair enough, but whilst a lot of you trot out the ‘what about Muslim line’ consistently, it’s clear you don’t know a lot about Islam.

The Scottish and UK governments have both made it clear which side they are on.

Yes - Scotland already seems to be charging ahead with Self ID and already has policies in schools that promote the idea that everyone has a masculine or feminine identity.

are the findings statistically sound?
They’re not. Their null hypothesis was that there was no change. They failed to disprove the null -which means they didn’t prove anything. Failure to disprove the null can happen when there is no effect to be found, but also when the quality of data or analysis isn’t up to the job. No normal academic field supports people writing up “we didn’t disprove the null” as a real finding - one could assume anything as a null, and then make sure the data was too poor to refute it - but the authors are from a transgender think tank.

They proceeded to write up their failure to disprove the null in a very misleading but technically not inaccurate way, and a bunch of newspapers and blogs reported their findings in an utterly inaccurate way, as if the authors had proved the laws didn’t cause an issue. I really hate that such an outstandingly terrible study was so influential - but I guess truth doesn’t matter that much in this territory.

As for labour likely to win the next GE LOL.

I am no fan of Jeremy Corbyn but the Conservatives are in complete chaos, have been in government for 8 years, and do not have a majority.

Do you really think they are going to govern in perpetuity?

Even then, given that no Conservative cabinet member has been prepared to back away from self ID, why do you believe the Conservatives aren’t happy to support self ID?

Can you not see that by adopting policies that conflate gender reassignment with sex some local authorities already have self ID?

I’m baffled at the idea that you think that self ID is just some fringe policy.

I don’t think there would be any public consultation if it weren’t for ‘self proclaimed feminists’ making their voices heard. Maria Miller seemed quite happy with Self ID and nobody else was paying any attention.

in Islam transgender people are far more widely accepted than gay/lesbian people.

Nope. Wrong.

In some Muslim countries, people transition in order to be gay as they are then seen as straight

Iran is the only Muslim country in which that is the practice. I've lived in a number of Middle Eastern countries and I cannot tell you that that is not the norm. And it is not the norm in Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan or Bangladesh, all countries that are largely Muslim.

I worked with lots of Muslim woman, some who wore the hijab, we also had a few transwoman and all used the same facilities with no issues.

Are you sure there were no issues or was there just no protest made about it. Did you ask the Muslim women? They may well have avoided using the facilities when they saw a male going in.

I can totally understand why they wouldn't feel empowered enough to speak up about the situation.

Also it’s worth noting, in Islam transgender people are far more widely accepted than gay/lesbian people.

Tattoos are considered haram in many areas because they permanently change Allah's perfect creation so I can't see how it would be ok to remove or permanently distort working body parts.

There was a large consultation and we don’t know who will win.

The Scottish and UK governments have both made it clear which side they are on.

In some Muslim countries, people transition in order to be gay as they are then seen as straight.

YY. They sometimes do it so they won't be thrown in jail or executed for being gay. Very progressive. I'm not sure what point you think you're making. Many Muslims still see them as men.

The women who come here to tell us to be nicer to transwomen all seem to ignore the privacy and dignity argument.

It’s like they just can’t process the idea that women can say no to men

This.