Great blog about being a trans inclusive feminist

If I protested my lack of inclusion in the local gay club's Bear Night people would think I was being a self centered idiot, and they'd be right. I am not banned from all clubs, it's just that that particular even is not aimed at people like me. If I was to petulantly proclaim my right to attend anyway, in spite of being small, female, and not very hairy, I would quite rightly be laughed at.

When women laugh at male humans they sometimes punch us in retaliation, so we learn not to laugh at them, at least not too openly. If the male humans think that means we're not thinking they're behaving like tantruming toddlers, however, they are sadly mistaken.

The problem with unisex spaces is that almost nobody wants them.

Obviously most of the time we are in unisex spaces, but I don’t think that is what you mean!

I really like family changing areas, and would much prefer them to sending opposite sex children to change on their own. For the same reason I would like more unisex toilets.

However I think there should also be single sex provision.

The problem with unisex spaces is that almost nobody wants them. Even most trans people don't want them, they want sex segregated spaces with exceptions made for them.

And this is where the hypocrisy is instantly exposed.

A transwoman in a female space makes it mixed sex.

But they want it confined to just them. So they are the only people who can make it mixed sex. It's all about validation for some or getting off on it for others.

And none of it's about women.

My friend who is a transman, despite having had all surgery and completely Male in appearance now, will still not entertain the idea of getting changed in an open plan changing room - he uses the private room at the gym.

So not really helped by all the ‘nothing to see here’ how dare you claim that different people have different needs ‘inclusivity’ campaigners then.

Assuming that your friend could access special services - a trans only swimming night? - I could argue that I was being excluded.

But that isn’t what inclusivity is about. I am included because I can go swimming. I am not excluded because I don’t qualify for a particular swimming session.

This is interesting re men being imprisoned more than women

mhrm.uk/wiki/analysis-of-gender-bias-in-sentencing-data/

Once again not as clear cut as a newspaper article would suggest

Personally ill go with the MOJ info

Would be awesome if someone clever could look at it, i know what i think its saying...but ive no idea how to say it

The problem with unisex spaces is that almost nobody wants them. Even most trans people don't want them, they want sex segregated spaces with exceptions made for them.

Male in appearance now, will still not entertain the idea of getting changed in an open plan changing room

So their desire for privacy is accommodated?

What about mine? Mine isn’t? Why not?

You don’t see any problem with that?

The ‘more likely to be changing next to a female offender’ is laughable.

I dont don’t why you’re worried about grey squirrels! You’re literally a hundred times more likely to see a red squirrel! Bigot! (While stood in red squirrel reserve.)

It’s not OK to have men in women’s change rooms. That’s it. That’s what it boils down to. Men are bigger, stronger, they have cocks and they use them to rape women and girls. So they don’t come into areas where women are vulnerable.

No ifs or buts or whatabout if we’s. Just no. No, no,no. I dont care if men are offended or upset by it. The answer is no. Stay out. All of you.

If you think the majority of trans people would prefer private spaces then why spend hours of your time telling everyone else that they don’t need private spaces from others of the opposite sex because it’s not inclusive. Would your friend prefer private spaces or being re-educated by facts and statistics to say namalt and he’s just being silly and a ‘victim’ if he feels he can’t share with people of any sex because he feels unsafe or undignified?

(You will remember that the sex offenders register doesn't just include child sex offenders. The figures there are entirely made up. Most recent estimate from the National Crime Agency: there are 80k people attempting to groom children online, almost all of whom are men.)

Denying all transpeople access to any space does not prevent all bad people being in your spaces

This is an argument for unisex spaces, and it’s absolutely fair to make that case. However as a trans person does not necessarily have a GRC, there is no argument on any basis that this would be a single sex space.

Again, I think perhaps there is some talking at cross purposes because you are talking about a world where there is no self ID, men with a GRC have had reconstructive surgery on their genitals and there is no campaign to convince organisations to effectively adopt GRC ahead of changes in legislation.

64k from here:

www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders

As you can see, not solid numbers and click bait in the wake of a prominent case.

Going by people who contact it, a charity think there are at least 10x the number of sex offenders than the current sex offender register contains (32k) and that women might make up anywhere from 5-20% of them.

"Hope for the best but plan for the worst"

Let's discuss this concept in relation to safeguarding, shall we?

So you are really going with 'There's always a possibility of being attacked anyway, so for the sake of a few male bodied people's sense of validation and inclusion, let's just hope for the best'?

You're not even allowed to ask if this one is a special, feminine dick, because that would be intrusive.

Interesting to contemplate who is expected to tolerate things that are intrusive and who is not.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/04/uk-female-child-sex-offenders

I think the majority of trans people do avoid gyms and changing room facilities. My friend who is a transman, despite having had all surgery and completely Male in appearance now, will still not entertain the idea of getting changed in an open plan changing room - he uses the private room at the gym. I’m assuming that is partly why there is no reported offenders of ‘penis’ in woman’s changing rooms’ by trans people.

SO you believe there should not be sex based rights because some women are sex offenders, but there should be gender based rights because not all transwoemn are sex offender?

Weren’t we reading data the other day that said one in twenty men has a paedophilic bent?

Under self I'd- as we keep saying - any man can enter women's spaces, however they look or present.

MEN are a danger to women and we cannot fillet out which ones are not. The vast majority of women do not want men - however they look or present or call themselves- in the spaces where we expect only women's bodies.

THAT is the issue.

I’m not saying protect our sons by handing over our daughters

You are saying protect trans women by removing womens rights.
If you don't understand thats what you are saying, maybe try listening more, as the law does not say what you think it does.

We are saying protect trans women by providing them with their own service.
If you don't understand thats not demonising people then you don't understand safeguarding.

So a piece of paper makes the swinging of a dick ok?

How? Same dick.

I mean, would anyone really be surprised if there were that many male abusers? The abusers who're actually convicted are the tip of the world's most loathsome iceberg.

What's never been in any doubt is that males commit sexual offenses at a rate many orders of magnitude above females, and there's no evidence at all that trans identification makes a particular male less likely to be a danger to those around them than any other male.

64,000? Where’s that figure from?

I understand not wanting to get changed next to a man with a penis and it would surely be classed as a criminal offence (flashing) unless they held a GRC,

This is SO ridiculous! And you can't see it.

What the man says makes no difference.

Your insistence of seeing this all through the eyes of men is so misogynistic.

I’m not saying protect our sons by handing over our daughters

I’m saying that there are BAD people in the world, some are men, some are woman and shock some are transpeople because they are PEOPLE and people can be bad. Denying all transpeople access to any space does not prevent all bad people being in your spaces, it may prevent some, but it also prevents the genuine trans people too who have battled gender dysphoria and want to get on with their lives.

Where does the 64,000 female abuser figure come from?

There are 120 women in prison for sex offences. And 14,000 men. If there are 64,000 female abusers in this country, then presumably there something in the region of 7 million men?

If you're saying there is that number, that just haven't been convicted?