Jeremy Vine

Is it a particularly Irish thing? I seem to remember Gerry Adams referring to himself as a Ballymurphy n-word.

I think you're correct abs. It's just another discussion to fill a program to him.

It's odd that he said words to the effect of 'everyone agrees TWAW' when I'm sure he's hosted the 'debate' before.

The thing is, Jeremy Vine just doesn't give a toss. He's a straight white male. All of this is a hypothetical curiosity that only interests him in so far as it involves controversy which generates his obscene +700K salary.

Equality of opportunity for PoC, the safety of vulnerable women and girls - both so irrelevant to him that he hasn't taken two minutes to think about the discussion he's hosting.

I'm glad I wasn't the only person shouting at the radio when Jeremy Vine was on. I'm used to his low standards of 'journalism' but he was taking the piss this morning with that comment about how we all now accept TWAW. No we do not Jeremy. Only in your London BBC bubble do people mindlessly do that. OK and a few unis too ...

Someone said if we can now ID ourselves into an ethnic group and a sex, a straight white male will be able to ID as a black lesbian and then use the current trans guilt trip thing they do ('No it isn't a penis, it's a lady peen and it's really very, very different from a man's penis. It will feel completely different inside you') to get black lesbians to have sex with them. And so fulfil what I am told is a common male fantasy. But that's what all this is about anyway, as we know. Men & fantasies.

Extrapolating from what curious said - about JV saying that he thought we all now accepted that TWAW - and that he works both in the BBC (where that seems to be the editorial standard accepted view) and on what was the Wright Stuff (and the he/she thing was what kicked off his leaving the programme so the programme makers might have been very strict about the line to be taken should the issue arise) that he has been force fed so much koolaid that he didn’t realise that other drinks are available too...

Also that maybe he was hoping Jamelia would say that she disagreed with the man so it could turn into a discussion about why is this different from changing sex/gender (either for them or later) and then was completely thrown when she said she wasn’t bothered (he doesn’t often sound like he has been caught by surprise but I think he did then!) so the conversation then spiralled away as a result.

They were talking about this on the World at One on R4 too. Sarah Montague interviewed a friend of Anthony Lennon (the man in question, who is white and whose parents are white/Irish).

I didn't catch the whole thing but the friend appeared to be saying that because he'd had 'struggles' in his life it was fine, basically. He'd suffered so hey, why not opt in to share the struggles of actual black people and claim funding for 'theatre practitioners of colour ?

It's all about the feelz, folks! Now, where have I heard that before? 🤔

Maybe the difference is that trans people seem to know they are the gender they identify as, and have always been thus since early childhood.

That seems to increasingly not be the case nowadays (if it ever was). There may well be a parallel ... this bloke was assumed to be black by other people, based on his appearance, so he decided to go with that. Children now who are gender nonconforming are being told they're 'trans'. (The huge difference is that this bloke needed no harmful medical interventions).

Agreed re the radio show. JV had it arse-about-face! He said transgender is different because gender is not factual, but race is.

So either he doesn’t realise that gender and sex have been conflated by trans activism or he doesn’t think biological sex exists.

I think race is a bit ‘woolier’ as a concept than sex is. Please don’t think I’m casting any doubt on the existence of racism- of course that exists, sadly.

But a person is either male or female, including intersex people.

A person might have genes from different ethnic roots, and I would assume that identifying as black/brown/white/dual heritage is a personal and subjective choice for those who know their ethnic make up.

Of course, ‘identifying’ as black when you have apparently no factual justification in doing so is obviously wrong!

Huh?

Sex : Gender. They aren't interchangeable, so that makes no sense!

Maybe the difference is that trans people seem to know they are the gender they identify as, and have always been thus since early childhood. Perhaps it is useful to understand this trans-racial thing as something this guy chose as an adult, and therefore of a different quality.

'JV says it's different from gender because 'gender is about more than just body parts and race isn't...' and then kind of trails off as if he's realised what utter foolish nonsense he's talking. '

Dear god. Sounds like the JV show is up to its usual pitiful standards

I can't believe Iain Dale was saying that you can change 'gender' like its an established fact. What a muppet

Oops. I messed up a C&P. Will report!

Blimey Jeremy vine showed himself up today. The funny thing is he won’t even realise that he has.

OOh, cross posted, Absinthe I took far too long to type that, I was so annoyed!

Radio2 just now talking about the "trans race" bloke. JV kept saying "I thought we all just accepted that if you are a man that says he is a woman then he is" and "Isn't it that being a woman is more than just the bodily stuff and that race is just is I dunno!"

I was shouting "You do fucking know, you TWAT!"

Then reminded myself, JV is just JK for the middle classes

Talking about this on the JV radio programme now. JV just got agitated at an email he read out, stating the opinion that if someone identifies as mixed race it's fine and up to them - no problem. JV says it's different from gender because 'gender is about more than just body parts and race isn't...' and then kind of trails off as if he's realised what utter foolish nonsense he's talking.

What a knob.

Just going to leave this clip from the brilliant Atlanta here ...

Yep, race is just a mish mash of assorted common features across a population, it's in no way quantifiable in the same way sex is.

Race is far more a social construct than sex.

You can be of mixed race but you can’t be of mixed sex - even if (as in 100% of cases) your biological parents were one of each.

I like to think Jamelia is undercover. That can be the only reason why someone would agree transrace is fine - that they secretly disagree with transgender too.

JV doesn't get it, despite this

Was also covered on BBC London, Vanessa Phelps this morning-a caller rang in understandably cross saying it smacks of white privilege for a mixed race man to identify into the category of black, whereas black people cant identify out of being black. (Just like women can’t identify out of being women.)