The Guardian's US Staff are Revolting

The need for quality, fact-based journalism has never been greater. Alas you won't find it in the Guardian. It was my newspaper for 30 years. It makes me sad and angry that it has become a mouthpiece for bullshit woke propaganda.

Trump is awful, but the alternative does not always come across as much better. Who is speaking for the ordinary working person. Not this lot it seems. It sounds as if the PC rabbit hole the Guardian has disappeared into in the UK has become a complete warren in the US. Not least but equality is surely recruiting on merit, not demanding the recruitment of a trans person.

A question. The Mail on line has a relatively large US readership, far larger than the Guardian. (I have read that it has the worlds largest English online readership.) I assume stereotypical rednecks dont read foreign press, and indeed it may come across as a bit left wing for some of Trumps supporters. So who reads it, and why dont they (or do they) have a problem with the GC stance. Or do people just read the sidebar of shame.

For example, here are two articles she’s written about facial hair and pay gap:

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/nov/30/female-facial-hair-if-so-many-women-have-it-why-are-we-so-deeply-ashamed

www.theguardian.com/us-news/datablog/2017/apr/04/equal-pay-day-us-wage-gap-gender-race-ethnicity

Just how can she square the ideals she pursues in those articles with the idea that trans women are women? Just HOW?

The “statistics” link linked to an Instagram post....FFS how is this journalism.

I know, ridiculous. One of the authors, Mona Chalabi, is a “data editor”. She does the data for elections and so forth. Surely she appreciates the need to be able to accurately define a demographic? How can you determine how many women are voting for Trump if your definition of women includes trans women?

They really aren't trying very hard to change the stereotype of America telling the world what to do, are they?

I know most Americans don't do this but it is a popular image. And now a nice article to sit besides it.

Ffs. I know that adds nothing to the discussion - sorry. I just felt I needed to say it.

The “statistics” link linked to an Instagram post....FFS how is this journalism.

Me too Vegilante so disappointing

When I first read the thread heading, "The Guardian's US Staff Are Revolting," I took the last word to mean "rebelling" rather than "causing intense disgust; disgusting," which is how the Oxford (American) dictionary on my macbook defines "revolting."

To all the US posters on this thread. I love your country and absolutely support you in fighting against this bullshit.

Weird how these "gender critical" women don't use gender neutral pronouns, isn't it? Almost like this is some sort of excuse.

Does that mean we don't use neutral pronouns to discuss trans people? That's not what they want though generally is it? I otherwise could think it means we should use "gender neutral" pronouns for ourselves and our family and friends. Why not? Because it is BATSHIT.

Now you know why we need mumsnet and you UK women! I don't know why anyone would want to immigrate to the US right now. It gets worse every single day. TRAs are clogging up the legal, health care, education, political systems that is divisive and fucking scary. I want to leave

FFS. Again, it's that mixing up and mashing up between sex and gender.

It's not at all difficult, really, is it? That difference between sex and gender?

Gender - social construct, varying across different times and locations and societies. If gender is important to you, then have at it. Have whatever genders you fancy. Fill yer boots.

Sex, on the other hand: sex is your physical body, your biology. In the vast, vast majority of people, sex is observed at birth, because it's absolutely bleedin' obvious. Humans are dimorphic. In order to reproduce, a female gamete and a male gamete must meet and join. Female gametes are produced by women, and male gametes are produced by men.

Gender: social construct, details vary between various societies in various locations and at various times. Mutable.

Sex: fact of biology. Immutable, regardless of society, location or era.

And I'm an arts graduate...

All Guardian staff need basic lessons in human sexuality and reproduction - I would not wipe my arse on their "newspaper"

I've been increasingly uneasy over the past year seeing the Guardian demonstrate an outright antagonism toward trans people.

LOL. Is that a different Guardian to the one I know?

I'm sure. Twitter is both a cesspit and an idiocy convention.

The US is turning into a shithole. On one side, half the population supports Trump, the other half is flying towards the opposite end, hard.

And yet, they'll look at the reaction on twitter, breath a big sigh on relief, and say to themselves, "ahh, we are on the right side of history and it feels fine":

twitter.com/SamTLevin/status/1058469158931722240

It seems harsh to say that but I feel they've completely betrayed women.

Reads to me like a bunch of woke lefties trying desperately to cover their arses with their TRA followers because the original Guardian UK editorial teetered about 2 millimetres to the right of the accepted gospel here in the US.

Absolutely. The Guardian can go down the toilet.

That Guardian US piece is like woke TRA bingo - 'cis' women and their 'safety' 'concerns'. The level of contempt for women's rights is amazing.

Reads to me like a bunch of woke lefties trying desperately to cover their arses with their TRA followers because the original Guardian UK editorial teetered about 2 millimetres to the right of the accepted gospel here in the US.

I think The Guardian is completely divorced from its readership.

I mean who the crap wants to read an article about what a few members of the newspaper's staff thinks about another article that the newspaper put out? Who would actually pay for that?

Even if the article was well-written and made decent points, it still doesn't matter to the readership.

A newspaper should not exist to validate the hurt feelings of its journalists.

The fact that this was published is indicative of a newspaper that has completely lost its way.

So just to clarify, the Guardian (UK) is pro-trans, yet it's not enough pro-trans for the Guardian (US) staff, so the US staff are very angry and magically assume they can dictate policy to the UK staff?

First, that just peaktrans more people so it's a good thing. Secondly, I apologize for the crappy american tendency to dominate everything. Thirdly, I am dying to tell an american liberal that since biology is a social construct, then they have no need to worry about silly abortion rights anymore -- just imagine you're not pregnant and poof! you won't be!

That article is such a mess. It must be purposefully bad, surely? The British Graun are trying to break the TWAW bubble, so they're just going to keep publishing shit pro-trans articles until their readers truly wake up to this madness.

I'm actually starting to believe this, and that there is a coded message from those inside.

Please, please PLEASE can we have the Guardian’s US staff throw a load of T [testosterone] into Boston harbour and strike out for independence. That would be hilarious.

Honestly there are so many things wrong with that piece it’s hard to know where to start.