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The reality of self id .

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SirVixofVixHall · 02/11/2018 21:29

I have just read this thread on twitter and this post horrified me. MP s and others telling us that there is no risk to women, this is what all our single sex spaces will turn into.
I am so angry on behalf of this woman and her daughter.

The reality of self id .
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VickyEadie · 07/11/2018 13:11

GodThisIsShit

Mr Mason definitely falls under the Stonewall umbrella of trans.

GodThisIsShit · 07/11/2018 12:27

Hurry up with Self-ID already, the only reality is that brave and stunning women like this are being cruelly denied their rightful place in women's spaces ...

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/cross-dressing-pensioner-jailed-bizarre-2185106

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 07/11/2018 12:24

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littlbrowndog · 07/11/2018 12:14

Cmon lizzy. Don’t lurk
Will feel better when you let it all out
Go for it 💪💪

LurkingLizzy · 07/11/2018 12:02

And PP is correct... they'd never ever just be an obnoxious person knowingly causing distress or discomfort to others because they can.

Good to see Posie is still writing about herself. Me, me, me.

Educator66 · 07/11/2018 11:57

Actually no! Transgenderism is a present day trend. Similar to the Goth trend. A true transgender is extremely rare. Those who choose to enact this portrayal do so for various reasons not often clearly understood by themselves. Many do so, like the Goths - to create a culture shock to society and bring attention to themselves. Generally such people are insecure in society and finding a like group gives them more confidence. Anyone who believes differently is a fool. The other reason why trangenderism is on the increase is due to the results of taking illegal drugs. Many of the drugs change the hormones of humans making them believe that they are more masculine/feminine. This is a well published phenomenon. The fact that such people are nervous about using public toilets supports the fact that they are not comfortable with the form they have chosen. There are many incidences of such people changing regularly between being female/male. So no - they do not understand their gender at all.
Even those who spend huge amounts of money on their appearance i.e. lady boys - are clearly males when you encounter them up close.

Gileswithachainsaw · 03/11/2018 18:30

When posters say it would never happen - did they also believe that no-one would fake cancer to get money ? Or fake being a child to get easy access into a country?

Oh no. I mean it's only trans people who wouldn't lie. Would you believe sone people don't believe trans people rape either because rape is about power and cis women have more power than trans people who are the most opressed marginalised people on the world Hmm

Destinysdaughter · 03/11/2018 18:26

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Educator66 · 03/11/2018 17:16

When posters say it would never happen - did they also believe that no-one would fake cancer to get money ? Or fake being a child to get easy access into a country?

NaturalBornWoman · 03/11/2018 17:02

It could well be that they were trans. And just wanted to pee.
Did the transwoman actually do anything other than use the loo?

Given the person was obviously male and presented as male, in what way did their 'transness' prevent them from using the male facilities? In what way would this obviously male person have been less safe in the men's than any other male? Why would they feel more comfortable in the women's, given they would stand out as different and also probably be able to perceive the discomfort of the women present and potentially risk being challenged?

citiesofbismuth · 03/11/2018 15:16

It's a proper radar key.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 03/11/2018 15:13

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citiesofbismuth · 03/11/2018 14:31

Women are safer going into the accessible toilets because they're a separate room. I've bought a radar key in case I have to use one that's locked.

Toilet categories now appear to be:

Male
Accessible/Disabled
Male who chooses to be in there for whatever reason whatsoever

RiverTam · 03/11/2018 14:26

Proper counselling etc would help your DD’s friend, Kat. Affirming her identity as trans won’t.

SirVixofVixHall · 03/11/2018 14:25

Gncq 🙄

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ginghamstarfish · 03/11/2018 14:19

Third spaces are a good idea in theory ... but in practice the man in the OP's post, and others like him, would still insist on using the women's. At least us women could then use the third space I suppose.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 03/11/2018 14:13

Third spaces provide everyone with a choice if they prefer not to use the space for their own biological sex, and meet the need for privacy, dignity and feelings of safety for everyone. The lay out of those third spaces yes, great opportunity for making more inclusive provision generally.

Yes, that will not suit the extreme TRA lobby, for a number of reasons. However other people have needs and rights too, and it's about balancing those needs.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 03/11/2018 14:00

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KatVonGulag · 03/11/2018 13:55

Well my DD best friend is trans, and refuses to use either men's or women's loos.
She (she is biologically female) is terrified.

She uses the disabled loos but I know that pisses off disabled people.

So it would help her.

JellySlice · 03/11/2018 13:52

Quite, SpartacusAutisticus. If there's room for a 'third space' put in an accessible space.

JellySlice · 03/11/2018 13:50

Who is this 'third space' for?

Post-op transexuals, who mostly want to live their lives as discreetly as possible, who have never been barred from/challenged in/evicted from the Ladies' loos? Whom most of us recognise and accept anyway?

Or the rest of the bloody 'umbrella', who are not interested in any third space, because they want the validation, and power, of claiming female spaces?

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 03/11/2018 13:32

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KatVonGulag · 03/11/2018 13:29

Agreed. We need third spaces. Unisex and well designed, alongside single sex provision.

KatVonGulag · 03/11/2018 13:28

Well they certainly don't have gender disphoria if they aren't making any attempt to look like the opposite sex?
Surely this transwomen who looks exactly like a man would feel more comfortable using the men's? Stubble and dirty tracksuit and penis and all?
The Trans umbrella is causing harm. This stuff is bollocks.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 03/11/2018 13:25

Absolutely Gncq

Every woman and girl's vision of using a safe, comfortable, private bathroom involves accepting that an obvious male in there is probably, hopefully not going to do anything to actually harm or disturb you. Even though the fact he's there, no matter how beautifully he behaves, makes you already uncomfortable and wary as fuck about using the loo yourself (and has forced you to walk out and not pee if your faith, culture or trauma history is inconvenient). That's absolutely what women should be aspiring to. For fucks sake.

Third space, unisex, floor to ceiling provision alongside female only.