Are kids on blockers a-sexual as adults?

If almost all children who are put on puberty blockers then go on to take cross-sex hormones, what happens to the ones that don't? I can't believe anyone can then go through puberty in their late teens, can they?

I did snort wryly at her comparison with off-label use of the contraceptive pill for acne treatment. DD had a pretty severe depressive reaction to the Pill which took a while to diagnose.

Add in all the other side effects (including risk of dvt) which we were all schooled in when we started taking the pill as teenagers.

For me, in 1976, there wasn't another option as reliable - but this is why other options have been developed since then. It's still a fact that long-term use of the pill carries health risks.

littlbrowndog nice link, thank you for sharing.

www.gov.uk/government/news/keep-antibiotics-working-campaign-returns

Plus of course everybody seems to be ignoring the fact that the medical world is terrified at the thought of antibiotics no longer working and we won't be able to have surgeries for anything without huge risks.

So to be giving young people unnecessary surgeries which may then lead to further unnecessary surgeries on healthy bodies seems completely ridiculous.

Also she's being a bit thick if she's comparing girls taking oestrogen, a hormone produced in their bodies naturally, for acne, with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists, which STOP the natural production of oestrogen & testosterone.

Regarding the Twitterer who I shall not name, who constantly promotes puberty blockers on Twitter, this is what her FTM child wrote on thestudentroom, regarding mum's thoughts on puberty blockers (child is the one replying, their username is not visible)

Regardless of what she might say about how safe these drugs are, she either secretly doesn't believe it, or she was using the withholding of medication as a threat, neither of which are exactly good optics....

. They are then causing damaging effects to the body by high-dose cross sex hormones. They are preparing for the future sterilization of children before they have reached the age of consent or can even understand what such a decision will mean. They are in many cases permanently altering and even eliminating the children’s natural function of their sex organs. Additionally, adolescent girls as young as 13 have had healthy breast tissue utterly destroyed by needless mastectomies [25]. The lead researcher of this unethical endeavor, Johanna Olson-Kennedy, flippantly stated: “If you want breasts at a later point in life you can go and get them.”[26,27]. No, functioning breasts cannot be gotten later. What legitimate medical society endorses such nonsense?

And so we have this most extreme treatment method called affirmative therapy. This is a prescription based exactly on what diagnosis and supported by which test or tests? What is the confirmation of the condition? What is the condition exactly? The AAP paper states very plainly that “these terms [such as gender identity and transgender”] are not diagnoses; rather they are personal and often dynamic ways of describing one’s own gender experience” [28]. And so it’s no longer gender dysphoria being diagnosed. (Though the condition is acknowledged as happening and blamed more on the parent, home and school environments). No, it would appear that the most radical of treatments to the human body with exceedingly powerful hormones and permanently disfiguring and risky surgeries are done because of the child/adolescent’s self-identification — effectively a self diagnosis.

This doctor in link above has a very good article on puberty blockers
Actuall6 shit scary tbh

gdworkinggroup.org/2018/10/24/the-gender-identity-phantom/

twitter.com/lilylilymaynard/status/882001269086453760?lang=en

She is a 100% true believer in the gender identity ideology and seems willing to condone all kinds of worrying behaviour if it supports the ideology.

Who is mimmymum? She seems to give lots of info on that stuff being reversible / harmless etc??

Probably the blocklist. I've just looked at that account. She's a woman (definitely, tweeting about endometriosis treatment) but bio says she/her and describes herself as an intersectional feminist. She seems to have taken umbrage at a throwaway remark of Mary Beard's suggesting that a male historical figure needed a Wikipedia page. Dr R seems to have assumed that Prof B was instructing young female academics to do it and on this slender evidence said she would never read Prof B's work. Odd behaviour from an aspiring academic in the same field, but there we are.

There was a thread the other day with Mary Beard, and I was blocked by the person she was talking to, who appeared to be a fellow historian, , Mary was tweeting support that “i do hope this won’t be the end of your career “ so that was really odd. She is Dr Ellie Mackin Roberts , any ideas why she would be blocking a random person ? I am on the Madigan block list.

Oh I don’t know, if it doesn’t work when logged out, I’ll try from huband’s computer later. I thought you had to log in to view twitter at all , so I’ve obviousy got that wrong.

But presumably someone, somewhere, first signed off on the use of puberty blockers for these purposes, and must have felt that the results were fairly benign. Surely?

Nope.

The bodies that approve drugs for various indications have not done this.

The fda and similar bodies (mrha in the uk) need data and evidence that fits certain criteria before they will do this, even if a drug has decades of use and safety data for another indication. That, basically, is what clinical trials are for,

An individual doctor can of course prescribe whatever they want for whatever they want. But they remain responsible for that prescription

Now a lot of drugs are used off label. And if there’s a long history of safe use for a certain condition then a doc can be sure they won’t be sued if they prescribe. Or if the ‘standard of care’ is set that the drug is used.

Now, the big push by tra activists to normalise blocker usage and to change the standard of care from watchful waiting and support to drug and surgery treatment- makes more sense now doesn’t it?

As does the campaign to remove GD as a mental illness...

It's quite a long thread sirvix with lots of attached photos. Can it be viewed if you log out?

It's not worth engaging on Twitter with people who compare dental hygiene to chemical castration is it?

But presumably someone, somewhere, first signed off on the use of puberty blockers for these purposes, and must have felt that the results were fairly benign.

Surely?

(I'm trying quite hard not to have a knee-jerk reaction to this.)

What does that mimmymummy tweet say ? She has blocked me, so I can’t see it. I’ve never interacted with her, so I assume she uses a block list based on people who follow GC feminists.

'the possible risks of treatment are ALWAYS balanced against the benefits'.

This is why the inflated suicide stats are pushed so much. The level of harm and risk is so high that the only way it’s outweighed is if it’s avoiding a high chance of death.

Any ethics committee that doesn’t ask for varified data on those risks and benefits is not doing its job correctly.

I've just looked at that Mimmymum thread.

The key thing seems to be this:
'the possible risks of treatment are ALWAYS balanced against the benefits'.

I don't have the medical knowledge to assess the level of risk, or the psychiatric knowledge to assess the level of benefit, so I would (if I were a parent in that unenviable position) like to see some massive, statistically significant long-term studies that told me whether the likely outcome ten/twenty years down the line would be better for my child with, or without, the use of blockers.

(I did snort wryly at her comparison with off-label use of the contraceptive pill for acne treatment. DD had a pretty severe depressive reaction to the Pill which took a while to diagnose.)

I think it’s unfair to talk about particular named children and young people and better to talk about the issue more generally.

It’s hugely disturbing - the idea of successfully treating an adult with dysmorphia is that their life improves Post transition. But to ‘treat’ a child means that their reproductive ability and future sexual function is destroyed.

To clarify, I mean that an adult with diagnosed dysphoria may find their life and mental health improves if they transition. That’s very different from treating a child though. A child has not had the pubertal changes which physically and mentally build the adult. Puberty almost doubles skeletal mass for example, and the bone laid down then is a key determiner of bone density in later life. Mental changes, brain maturation etc occur as well as the obvious physical maturation. To stop a child going through this denies them the chance to even experience what it is to be and adult Male or Female.

We have no idea what the physical or mental consequences will be. The drugs used as blockers have multiple irreversible and lifelong side effects. They are also contraindicated for use in anyone with mental health issues and unlicensed for use in gender dysphoria.

There is no justification ethically or medically to give a child blockers for gender questioning. 80% of children questioning gender eventually end up being ok with it. Not only are these kids physically healthy they’re in the main not even going to have dysphoria after puberty. It’s horrific to realise that children are being pushed down a path which really has no off ramp. Once you’re on blockers the social pressure to continue is immense.

My heart breaks for these kids. The vast majority are children with various issues who need support and help to become comfortable in their skin.

This is going to be the scandal of our era.

We are not allowed to speculate about the genitals of identifiable individuals, especially children.

If posters avoid such speculation, the thread may remain, though individual posts may be deleted.

Wouldn't you think the adult trans community would want to campaign hard for much better mental health support so as few people as possible end up having damaging surgery? It says quite a lot that they aren't.

The trans community, or, more likely, the TRA 'community', does not care because it is made up of inherently selfish narcissists.