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Rachael McKinnon-another gem from the "you couldn't make it up" guidebook.

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BertrandRussell · 01/11/2018 08:40

Basically, lesbians should lie back and think of England.

Rachael McKinnon-another gem from the "you couldn't make it up" guidebook.
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Ereshkigal · 01/11/2018 20:14

Putting this whole thread in my thread "Cotton Ceiling" evidence thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

TinselAngel · 01/11/2018 20:11

Wait, so when he 'coped' with sex with his wife, that was rape, but when a lesbian is told to have sex with a penis-owner, that's just part of the righteous fight against transpobia.

This made me laugh because it's so ludicrous, but it's actually horrifying.

PurpleOva · 01/11/2018 20:05

"male" sex roles

From that link to the blog about being raped. Coercive sex is an awful form of abuse.

But geez Louise, "male" sex roles? These people just seem to have zero imagination. Are they not aware of the sexual revolution? Apart from the role males have to take in reproductive sex, everything else is up to you as an individual, well, you and your willing consensual partner.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 01/11/2018 20:02

Doesn't mean I'm not female or a lesbian with a woman's brain and always have been! Cis lesbians who won't sleep with me because of these biological disabilities....

Ok, that's the end of even trying to play along with this utter bullshit.

If you have a penis you are not female.
You are not a lesbian.
You do not have a woman's brain.
There is no such thing as 'cis' lesbians
Being male is not a biological disability
Disability rights were not invented for able bodied males to use to get laid.
You have a major psychological problem that is spilling out all over the place.
You're in need of help and very, very strong boundaries.

QuietContraryMary · 01/11/2018 19:54

Wait, so when he 'coped' with sex with his wife, that was rape, but when a lesbian is told to have sex with a penis-owner, that's just part of the righteous fight against transpobia.

wingwarbler · 01/11/2018 19:51

Coping just fine is not what continuous enthusiastic consent looks like, you rapey bastard

100% yes.

Genital hang ups, FFS. No fucking words. Angry

Italiangreyhound · 01/11/2018 19:43

Is sex really meant to be about 'coping'.

How vile.

QuietContraryMary · 01/11/2018 19:39

Datun, it's absolutely disgusting

" I was raped by my ex-wife. This depends pretty heavily on how we define rape, though. And most discussions of rape are extremely cissexist..

Mine is a case of a woman raping a trans woman.

Rape is coercive sex. I was coerced to have sex for the sake of "the relationship.

Coercive sex is rape whatever genitals the person being raped has, and whatever genitals the person committing the rape has."

This hulking great man, whose father was very senior policeman, somehow can reimagine his choosing to get married as 'rape'.

Datun · 01/11/2018 19:27

TinselAngel

I was wondering about the rape too. But, hand on heart, I just couldn't read any more.

Nasty drivel.

Datun · 01/11/2018 19:24

Vixxxy

Dear god.

TinselAngel · 01/11/2018 19:21

Rachel was 'raped'.
I only got as far as RM saying RM never loved RM's wife.

How awful to say that in writing on an open blog post.

My ex said on Twitter that he never wanted to marry me, despite saying the exact opposite at the time. It's how they rewrite the past to justify their present behaviour.

Vixxxy · 01/11/2018 19:21

Nah I didn't submit anything, wouldn't have a clue how to to be honest. I just have the link still saved on my computer from when TRAs kept saying that (again) it never happens and 'TERFs' just say it does. Not sure who compiled the list, but it makes me feel fucking ill. Homophobic misogynistic blokes, the lot of them (meaning TRAs/those who think lesbians are bigoted, not all trans people happy screenshotters)

DuggeesWooOOooggle · 01/11/2018 19:12

Just had a look through that lovely collection of tweets Vixxy and I am just Shock at the madness of it all.

These two gems stand out in particular. Love the fact they have been subtitled (by you?) 'get over me being male' and 'problematic lesbians for being female homosexuals.

I clicked on the profile of a few of the 'cis lesbians' on the Twitter threads linked to earlier. I am going to sound incredibly un-PC here but, ahem, how anyone could see these people as anything other than a collection of badly dressed blokes is beyond me. That's quite possibly their issue here.

Rachael McKinnon-another gem from the "you couldn't make it up" guidebook.
Rachael McKinnon-another gem from the "you couldn't make it up" guidebook.
Vixxxy · 01/11/2018 18:29

Well, this is a keeper for all those 'i see no ships' types who don't believe that lesbians face any coercion from the trans pushing AWAs. Reams and reams of overt homophobia in these tweets. It's this and child mutilation that keeps me right in this dog fight.

I still have a link about the proof collecting. Given AWAs claim that TERFs just make this shit up for shits and giggles, even though almost every high profile TRA seems to agree that lesbians are bigoted for being lesbians

drive.google.com/drive/folders/13vfYxPdJ-HeeLfk_EDg9fR9lUx2NFWpd

Vixxxy · 01/11/2018 18:22

the cis lesbian gets over her genital hangups

This is just vile. 'Gential hangups'...your sexuality is wrong, fucking bigots need to get over it. Just try dick, you might 'cope just fine'. Lesbians absolutely have not already heard this nonsense a hundred times before. Sounds so fucking rapey to me, as if sex is something that women should just be there for, rather than take part in.

Datun · 01/11/2018 18:21

weird, entitled, unpleasant men who can't get anyone to have sex with them

Over and over.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 01/11/2018 18:15

Bottom line: "girls, sex is not for you to enjoy, it's for you to find a way to get through and tolerate for the sake of someone's superior and higher status need - and no, that someone will never expect second best or to put anyone else first. In fact that someone is busy validating that it's ok not to give a damn that you're unwillingly forcing yourself to allow them to use your body".

Rape culture, with a heavy, stark dose of misogyny and male supremacy. About as attractive to any woman with a brain and a grain of self esteem as a plate of cow dung.

It's all tied up with the whole 'sex worker positive' narrative, which is about imagining shiny eyed little girls saying "mummy I want to grow up and be a sex worker" and enthusiastic sex workers who love having their bodies used, in order to cover up the ugliness, scariness, huge dose of male violence and male entitlement that it all involves and absolve the purchaser. Fuck that.

The answer is what it has always been: there will always be weird, entitled, unpleasant men who can't get anyone to have sex with them because of being entitled and unpleasant, and feels pissed off about this. That's their problem. Women and girls need reminding, frequently, of the stickied post at the top of the relationships board. What sane person wants any little girl to grow up aspiring to 'tolerate sex' and put some vile male who isn't interested in her consent or pleasure above her own needs?

VickyEadie · 01/11/2018 18:15

I see McKinnon believes that when they had PIV sex and they 'faked orgasm', the women concerned didn't realise and were taken in by it.

Oh, mate - trust me, there's one very easy way to tell whether or not a man has had an orgasm.

QuietContraryMary · 01/11/2018 18:09

Rachel was 'raped'.

metamorpho-sis.net/2013/10/46-faking-orgasms-and-rape/

Ereshkigal · 01/11/2018 17:58

It's stultifyingly predictable. The only remarkable part is the barefaced fucking cheek, or blind arrogance, in trying to convince anyone that there's any more to it than that.

It's actively part of the thrill. McKinnon is a perfect example of Duping Delight.

BertrandRussell · 01/11/2018 17:56

in every conversation I have ever had with my teenage ds about sex, I have reinforced the message that unless consent is enthusiastic, assume that it is not consent. This just drives a coach and horses through that.

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Badmoonsarising · 01/11/2018 17:54

It's playing on the tendency that many of my friends used to talk about when we were teenagers. They got themselves into unfortunate encounters because they were too polite so say no. Obvious result of female socialisation and the TRA's are exploiting this. Particularly amongst impressionable young lesbians.

This, this, so much this - i imagine most of us recognose and remember this. Girls and young women’s boundaries are being destroyed, they are being gaslit and confused by all this male oriented manipulative shite.

BettyDuMonde · 01/11/2018 17:39

Coping just fine is not what continuous enthusiastic consent looks like, you rapey bastard

This.

All.
Day.
Long.

TinselAngel · 01/11/2018 17:35

As a heterosexual woman, and liker of cock, I just can't ever envision a situation where I would 1. meet a trans man and think he was a natal, heterosexual man

  1. Get in a sexual liaison with this person, find there was no cock present, go through with it anyway and emerge feeling my heterosexuality was intact.

It's playing on the tendency that many of my friends used to talk about when we were teenagers. They got themselves into unfortunate encounters because they were too polite so say no. Obvious result of female socialisation and the TRA's are exploiting this. Particularly amongst impressionable young lesbians.

deepwatersolo · 01/11/2018 17:34

Never in my life have I ‚coped just fine‘ during sex. I‘d always end it, before such a need arose. And no partner ever expected me to ‚cope‘. Coping in relation to sex is a porn concept. Very much sounds like Rachel watched so much porn they lost their connection to reality.