Reverse Racism and TERF as a slur. Help me explain false equiv

Also, when 'feminist', and particularly 'radical feminist' are used as terms of abuse, the implication is usually that they are just a bunch of man hating lesbians.

I think you'll find this movement is led by lesbian sheros. Lesbians are called 'TERF' and 'transphobic' for refusing penis.

Also that poster you have added has been gleefully used by mainly men to make lesbians who are clear about being same sex exclusive, feel extremely unwelcome in what is supposed be the 'L' GBT community.

A little bit of historical accuracy would go a long way.

Having been abused at secondary school by straight girls because I was a lesbian , spat on, pushed abused ,
I suspect these straight girls who abused me and my G/F at school have grown up and see the Transgender community as an easy target to hate

some months ago sticker woman who its claimed is a straight woman started putting the stickers up across various gay pubs and around streets in London

in various gay pubs across this land are now sporting posters objecting to any Transphobia in gay pubs
and restrictions are being imposed on many straight people going in gay bars

but you cant have it both ways , either its a slur or its a badge of Pride ?
with various [posters using it as their handle on here

Ngozie's big crime was to say that the life experiences of natal women and trans women are different. Somehow this leads to testerical fits in TRA circles.

It's about as controversial as saying water is wet. Obviously their experiences are different. But no, she has to be banished beyond the pale where is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth for being a blasphemer.

Interesting that self-ID is the central plank of TRAs, but women are to be persecuted if they dream of doing it.

You're right that there's nothing necessarily slur-ry about terf. But usage has turned it into something north of Nazi.

Maybe point out to your friend that gender critical feminists think people should be valued for who they are and any social problem mean society has to change. TRAs think people should fit into specific social boxes (and that they are The Coolest because they climbed out of Box A and switched to Box B) and if they don't fit then their bodies should be changed. Ask her which is actually progressive.

I just look at them at them kinda dead-panned and say, "black women never fought for the right to shower naked next to white men. Black women STILL don't want to shower naked next to white men. So could you explain how black women showing naked next to white men would eliminate racism?"

One of the things patriarchs love to do, is to ask you to explain things over and over. Turn the tables, and keep asking for them to explain. A million bonuses if you make it clear that this is about sexual boundaries, which is why the naked shower features prominently in all my questions/comments.

"Minorities lack power and authority" is very often untrue. Just look at the British Empire or the real 'erasure' of indigenous people as White Europeans spread west across America.

Your friend only seems to understand why a minority would lack power, and not the structural reasons that would enable a majority to be oppressed, whether that is lack of guns or lesser upper body strength or bearing children.

People very rarely check the target's views on feminism before calling them a 'terf', and it 's often used generally to describe anyone perceived as 'anti-trans'.

Ironically to use 'radical feminist' as an insult, is to denigrate people who have endured decades of abuse for not being 'feminine' enough. It's just another way of attacking somebody who doesn't conform to gender expectations.

Thanks Likedust.

Explains the women’s Iranian football team

In fact in Iran, transpeople are more accepted than homosexuals - who are forced to get genital surgery an live as though they are a straight person of the opposite sex.

So all in all, the power relationships are very different.

Likewise the so-called 'oppression' that transpeople is not the same either.

Going into prostitution increases the danger of violence targeted at homosexuals and people who are gender non-conforming. TransActivists take this demographic who are at great risk of harm (those in prostitution) to represent all transpeople.

could you explain I don’t understand?

The inequality between women and men and Afro-American/Afro-Caribbean people and white Europeans are both underscored by exploited labour.

Women do the overwhelming majority of the world's catering, cleaning, caring and clerical work, mostly unpaid. This has enabled men the time and opportunity to get into the most well-paid and powerful positions in society, positions that women struggle to enter because of both the discrimination women face and all the unpaid work women are tied up on being responsible for. Women also suffer physical and psychological abuse, discrimination before the law and a lack of a political voice, as both a result of, and as a way of maintaining, women's low-status position in societies around the world.

Likewise 'racial' inequality has been similarly fostered.

However, not all oppressions are alike. Gay men have been able to hide their sexuality and get into all the most powerful positions in society at the same rate their straight brothers - because you can't see someone is gay by looking at them like you can see someone is a woman or brown-skinned.

Gay and lesbian people are persecuted around the world, subjected to appalling violence and social ostracisation if they 'come out' or are 'found out' and are often hated by the same people who hate people with brown skin or women. But this axis of oppression is different. Straight people are not bearing down on gay men and lesbian women, getting them to do societies necessary donkey work.

If transgender people were fighting for rights as transgender people, they might have a point. But they aren't. They are fighting to colonise other people's rights and they are using institutional support to achieve that.

Gncq thank you that makes sense

^ in one word, slavery.

That terfisaslur website is horrifying. I’ve seen it linked to before, but never read it. Definitely show that to your friend OP. It speaks for itself.

CallingDannyBoy

Transpeople claim to be "opressed" but a Marxist or "actual" definition of opressed is not the same as the trans ideology version of opressed.
Trans ideologists cry "opressed" when they have been misgendered, or refused entry into a female-only space, or turned down by a prospective sexual partner because of their sex.
That's not what opressed is.

Your friend isn’t comparing like with like.

Women have been excluded from education and government despite being a majority because there are clear unavoidable consequences to being born female. Women can only participate fully in societies where they have access to birth control and where the law prevents men from dominating them physically. Identity is irrelevant.

The differences between races are only cosmetic. That isn’t true of the differences between men and women.

‘TERF’ is a way of silencing dissent , because it presents occasional exclusion of men as exclusion of trans people and targets hate at ‘radical feminists’ as though only they are concerned about this issue.

Having said that I think TERF is more about stupidity than hate.

It's completely inaccurate. I am not 'trans exclusionary'. I am penis exclusionary in certain circumstances, i.e. when a female is naked or vulnerable, in sports etc.

I am also not a radical feminist.

I agree with it being the equivalent of 'heretic'.

Or simply, a bitch who won't do as she's told

It is absolutely, a term of abuse and is used as one

I think she is a lost cause because trans issues are mixed up in her mind with the terrible thing that happened to her son. You may lose her friendship if you push her.

Likedust - could you explain I don’t understand? I’m referring to spaces - prisons, changing rooms, sports, women only spaces.

It is the positioning of transgender people as being the most oppressed and so everyone else should just automatically shut up and budge up.

Remember, no one is extracting labour from transpeople.

What low-status, hard, relentless menial work do so called 'cis' people get so called 'trans' people to do for free and without recognition?

Oh that's right. None.

Or just tell her it's racist to appropriate the fight against racism. Tell you you'll give her the benefit of the doubt this time but ask her not to do it again

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People who say TERF is just factual or descriptive are like ppl who say the word n....r is just descriptive.

It's not a term anyone would use to describe themself, it's almost exclusively aimed at women, it's used to dehumanise people with a particular view and many people who are called "terf" are most definitely not radical feminists such as Katy Hopkins.

I second Kesstrel in linking to
Terfisaslur.com