Transman kicked out of gay sauna

If you are ever asked to leave a gay sauna because you don’t have a penis the best response is ‘Wait, what? I’m sure I had one when I came in...’

This was the Christchurch Pride that had previously boasted 'nothing's too gay for Christchurch pride week' www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK0705/S00009/nothings-too-gay-for-christchurch-pride-week.htm

Nothing that is, apart from not believing that penis-in-vagina sex is gay.

"I understand that the gentleman was male however his physical gender was different and as a customer had already stated that a female was using the venue, I explained that I would need to clarify with the council"

Or?

"I understand that the gentleman was legally male however his physical sex was different and as a customer had already stated that a female was using the venue, I explained that I would need to clarify with the council"

I think I fixed that

That's a good point, Aspie
Men are allowed boundaries just because they want them.
Women cannot be allowed any boundaries, despite mountains of evidence, facts, and very real threats to their actual safety.

Sorry this was the party

www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/101919684/controversy-ahead-of-10-days-of-fun-and-festivities-in-christchurch-pride

It was a 'sex on site' party and they got banned from Gay Pride for not wanting a vagina.

So essentially gay men were told they were no longer welcome at Pride.

They are gay men GAY GAYGAYGAY
And saunas are were some GAY MEN go to have GAY SEX
Just leave them alone "Jason"
THEY ARE GAY

On a more serious note, the chances that this transman would sexually assault one of the other customers is zero.

That’s pretty much the same chance the sight of their naked vagina would trigger memories of a previous sexual assault by a woman.

The proprietors were correct asking him to leave but there were no safety concerns here, just the right to free associate with people of your own sex and sexual orientation.

mic.com/articles/128056/the-painful-truth-of-being-a-trans-man-on-a-hookup-app

Many respondents pointed to squeamishness or curiosity around vaginas as one of the main sources of cis confusion.

"Cis gay culture is so phallocentric, everybody's expecting a penis," Jack said. "And, you know, some of us don't have that."

Could someone tweet this to Owen Jones for comment pleeeze!!!

Waiting for Harrop, Owen Jones, pink news and Peter tatchell to condemn the bigotry

This has happened before, there was some sort of weekly gay sauna event where they told a vagina owner to go fuck himself, and as a result they got called out as evil transphobes and banned from the city pride festival.

Sorry I don't have a link to hand.

from the article:

"Jason said: ‘A staff member came over and requested I leave… as I was not allowed because of my genitals.’

When Jason protested, he says the member of staff simply repeated it was a ‘male space’.

The trans man then showed the sauna employee his passport with his male gender marker.

He claims the member of staff repeated it was a male space. The staff member allegedly said if he ‘tits and a dick,’ it’d be fine – but since he has a vagina, it’s not."

‘We have had confirmation from the council that if someone has a GRC [Gender Recognition Certificate] or ID confirming they are male, we would not be in breach of our licence."

#ManFriday demonstrated the ease with which one can change a driving licence from Female to Male earlier this year (it was also changed back again very easily):

manfridayuk.org/2018/04/20/self-id-and-driving-licences/

I wonder if the Sauna will be implementing the proposed Swim England policy (currently withdrawn) and in future 're-educating their customers?

Don't worry! I am sure TELI is on the case!
Have we heard condemnations of this sauna from Harrop, Jones et al?
I assume a TRA petition has been started?

An acquaintance is a transman who very much identifies as a gay man and whose ideal is a sexual relationship with a homosexual man. It's no different to transwomen who identify as lesbians and desperately want sexual relationships with homosexual women who are willing to accept their penis as a female organ and stretch the boundaries of their sexual attraction.

I really hope this sort of thing continues. The tide will turn once it starts affecting men.

It's disgusting that the gay men didn't want to shag the transmans vagina

You know it's DISCRIMINATION right?!?

Very soon this won't be allowed and a gay man is going to HAVE TO legally or they will go to prison for a HATE CRIME

Or we could all wake up to normal life again

Er...aren't gay saunas principally places for gay blokes to...get it on with each other?

Why would a transman think they'd anything to offer in there?
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Because Trans men ARE men. They have blue brains. And male vaginas. And feelz. And to disagree is to be a bigoted transphobe.

Or reality is on the blink...

And Little Owen too.

This has the potential to take Man Friday to the next level...

Bet I’m not the only one laughing at what would have happened if Harrop had been one of those getting his sweat on...

Why would a transman think they'd anything to offer in there?

Well, um, I'm guessing they were offering sexual services that don’t require a penis.

I have to say, I’m intrigued by the concept of a transman attracted to men. I figured most transmen were lesbians prior to transitioning.

But I digress. Shock horror, gay men don’t want to have sex with vagina-havers

I wonder what LOJ has to say about this?

(Wonders how to put this...)

Er...aren't gay saunas principally places for gay blokes to...get it on with each other?

Why would a transman think they'd anything to offer in there?

Hmmm. A job for Man Friday?

Yep. Shoe's on the other foot now and it doesn't fit so well, does it?

Are gay men not allowed any men only spaces now ?
Isn't this more or less what has happened to lesbian groups and clubs for the last few years? I suppose it was inevitable that it would spread to gay men's spaces after a while.
It is sad when businesses feel the need to apologise instead of saying 'Nah those are the rules, fuck off if you don't like it'. Or words to that effect.