Transman kicked out of gay sauna

‘We have had confirmation from the council that if someone has a GRC [Gender Recognition Certificate] or ID confirming they are male, we would not be in breach of our licence."

Isn’t LM always saying it’s illegal for any establishment to ask to see a GRC? So nothing to stop a self IDing man (physically and biologically a woman) from rocking up and insisting they’re a man.

Definetely a job for Man Friday I think.

Today in "gay men like cock" shocker!

I'm so tired of this nonsense. Leave people alone and let them be attracted to what they're attracted to you petulant babies.

Great idea lenaperkins, I would love to manfriday male only saunas! Beats offering to help my neighbour sort out his car troubles and will have a much bigger impact. It'll be a challenge to keep my manfriday t-shirt on in the heat though :)

but hetero girls becoming gay men is a whole new demographic.
There is a significant and growing number of young females who are heterosexual and who identify as transboys and gay.

see 4th Wave Now article
'Anime culture & teen trans-trending'
Posted on January 9, 2017
This morning, after descending into the bowels of the site “Kiwi Farms” (the lair of some of the Internet’s more colorful denizens), we tweet-stormed about the unethical “gender specialists” who profit from the identity confusion of teens addicted to anime and Tumblr-inspired cosplay. The particular Kiwi Farms thread discusses what many of us parents are all too aware of: The impact of hours of pretend-identity play on our kids’ desire to make their Internet fantasies a reality “IRL.” (continues)
links in article
4thwavenow.com/2017/01/09/anime-culture-teen-trans-trending/

There is a significant and growing number of young females who are heterosexual and who identify as transboys and gay.

I think it's a result of a combination of fleeing from pinkified femininity and a hypersexualised (and abusively misogynistic) culture and too much time on Tumblr/Archive of Our Own. There's a huge amount of "gay" male-on-male erotica on fanfic sites, written by women for women (and I suspect bearing precious little resemblance to genuine gay erotica as a man would understand it), and also the usual memes about "some girls have penises, get over it/ it's not what's in your pants that matters".

End result - take a girl who isn't drawn to the lip-fillers and instagram face cliche of femininity, but is heterosexual, immerse her in a culture full of dainty anime boys screwing each other, tell her what's in her pants doesn't matter - suddenly she thinks she can be a boy, and be the sort of boy that gay men will be attracted to - because she has been sold a lie by the online shite she's surrounded by.

Next: Jason asks the sauna bakery to ice a cake with the message of his choice.

but hetero girls becoming gay men is a whole new demographic.

Reddit!

Aspie

Ditto!

There is a significant and growing number of young females who are heterosexual and who identify as transboys and gay.

I’m reading Robert Sapolsky’s Behave at the moment and it’s all ‘cingulate gyrus’ this and ‘basolateral amygdala’ that and I can read it pretty fluently - yet every time I’m reading this trans stuff it’s like I have to tease the meaning out of every word like I’ve never encountered it before.

I take the point about the growing numbers of young female heterosexuals affected by socialcontagion identifying as gay males.

Interesting though, isn’t it? For a long time, there have been gay people transing themselves into straights, and autogynephiles transing themselves into lesbians... but hetero girls becoming gay men is a whole new demographic.

Waiting for Harrop, Owen Jones, pink news and Peter tatchell to condemn the bigotry

Please remind me to check Twitter in the morning. I’m sure the outcry is going to be huge

Some men have vaginas.

Get over it.

What a cheeky fucker tha5 person was
Ffs expecting other people to accept your delusion.
It’s realy so arrogant to spoil other people spaces
Feck we will be driven into secret spaces where them cheeky fuckers can’t access
Imagine sitting there with your female stuff out and not expecting a guy to say something
This was done on purpose
Very provocative

I have to say, I’m intrigued by the concept of a transman attracted to men. I figured most transmen were lesbians prior to transitioning

There is a significant and growing number of young females who are heterosexual and who identify as transboys and gay.

It your gay male sex-on-premises club doesn't include people with vaginas then it isn't a gay male sex-on-premises club.

That's fo sho.

Agree that once gay men become more widely affected by this type of TRA encroachment and boundary-pushing then there will be more understanding (and a swift, male-socialised rejection!) of what lesbians and women in general are being forced to put up with and be silent about.

So a female heterosexual goes into a male homosexual place and is stunned that nobody wants to get off with her because she doesn’t have the right equipment .

The comments on the article are hilarious. Some people have well and truly drunk the kool aid.

The bit that makes me giggle is he says he’s ‘very passable’. Sure. The last place a gay man is going to look is between your legs.

I have to say, I’m intrigued by the concept of a transman attracted to men. I figured most transmen were lesbians prior to transitioning

The only trans person I know in real life is exclusively attracted to men. He doesn't remotely fit the MN profile of a girl not being allowed the freedom to be a lesbian/ liking boy things.

I* really hope this sort of thing continues. The tide will turn once it starts affecting men.*

I'm so so sad at how true this is.

If Pink News don't publish an article hectoring the sauna for their transphobia, they will be showing their utter hypocrisy on this. Stonewall too.

Sorry correction, in the end the gay men in Christchurch were cured of their transphobic hatred of vagina.

This has the potential to take Man Friday to the next level... :-)

Oh please let the next stunt be at a 'full service' gay sauna, lecturing the fellas that the 'spandex ceiling' is transphobic.

They are gay men GAY GAYGAYGAY

There are quite a few female transmen who identify as gay.

Its quite common, especially with younger transmen.

Its a big thing for Rob Noon (NUS officer) who has a close relationship with Jess Bradley.

That sauna needs to be no-platformed and rage-tweeted at from here to eternity for their hateful transphobic exclusion! How dare they misgender that trans man and reject his mangina? I hope our trusty TRA folk are onto them and working to get that sauna put out of business. Transmen are men!

Or maybe we could accept that a gay sauna has the right to discretion with regard to the clientele they welcome, given the battles gay men have fought to find spaces where they can get together in peace without worrying about homophobes, voyeurs or the police?