ROGD on Woman's Hour tomorrow

My disquiet is down to her perhaps being so "don't rock the boat" that I wonder whether she's more a hostage than a leader in her role.

Yes, there are powerful and influential lobbyists.

Yes, I tried to express some of that nuance in my post. It might be that PC's approach is the only workable one in the current climate. My disquiet is down to her perhaps being so "don't rock the boat" that I wonder whether she's more a hostage than a leader in her role.

I was surprised at PC being noticeably dismissive and remote. I realise that will be down, at least partially, to her professional role

I wonder how much Dr Carmichael has been affected by the current pressures by some parents, TRAs and others in the transgender community?

It is (as can be seen by the comments on the twitter thread) a source of contention that Stephanie Davies Arai was interviewed.

There are many familiar accounts commenting there who continue to describe Transgender Trend as a 'hate group' promoting 'conversion therapy'

Tavistock has a core esponsibility to its patients, in this case the children and young people it is treating.

I imagine Dr Carmichael's might be a challenging position to hold at this time.

Sometimes laughter reveals more than finding something amusing.

I'm pleased to say that my prediction was well off the mark. That was much better than I expected although I was surprised at PC being noticeably dismissive and remote. I realise that will be down, at least partially, to her professional role. But at the end of the discussion I felt I had less confidence in GIDS.

I missed Lewis but I thought the studio discussion was good. JG handled it well. It is the first time I have heard the statistics in children with autism discussed properly and then agreed that they were accurate. I can't stress enough how much I admire the GC women who have just kept plugging away.

Woman's Hour twitter thread on the segment:
twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1056803331098714114

Lewis was a weird choice, would have been better to have a parent of or a teen who had experienced ROGD.

Lewis is a prominant TRA.
He, with Fox & Owl are often put forward to comment.

Agree that Lewis wasn't really on topic for ROGD. Apart from that it was one of the better pieces I've heard. Polly was very reluctant to be drawn on facts but I take her point that the huge majority of children progressing from blockers to hormones might mean their gate keeping is working. But we can't know that.
S D-A did very well. Wish she could have explained more about the sterilisation issue for listeners who are new to it.

I absolutely agree that PC was in a difficult position, with a responsibility to the patients she deals with face to face. However, SDA was very sharp with facts and stats which PC obviously didn't want to dwell on, which was telling in itself.

Lewis was a weird choice, would have been better to have a parent of or a teen who had experienced ROGD.

PC did minimise, and avoided answering simple questions. She is in a difficult position, yes, but plenty of "well meaning" therapists have done plenty of damage, historically.

Stephanie was good, and I think JG gets it. The Tavistock person was annoying, didn't have stats and didn't come over well.

And I don't agree that PC would be less clued up than Stephanie. She must have seen a wider range of transgender children than Stephanie, who is basically a concerned parent with a strong streak of common sense and humanity, as far as I can see.

I thought Polly Carmichael did come off well - in fact that they all did. There is no way that Carmichael could go into work and help severely distressed children (the 80% or whatever who don't go on to treatment, as well as the 20% who do) if she'd been on national radio saying that they were probably all just confused, autistic or messed up by society.

For a small number of children, I've no doubt it's the least worst option, and those will be some of the children she sees. They have to trust her.

I thought that was good. Too much of the time was allocated to Lewis, talking personally about 'born in the wrong body', 'known since I was 4' etc etc when the issue was supposed to be ROGD, but JG kept the studio discussion on track and asked good questions.

Polly Carmichael came across as being far less clued up than Stephanie Davies Arrai, and tried to minimise all the concerns raised by SDA and JG. Notable how many questions she began to answer with an airy, dismissive 'Well...'

Gah, I was part way through listening but I've been disturbed! Got to the bit that when Stephanie was coming on. Lewis was TRA bingo and Travistock woman did not represent her views well, v wishy washy. I actually thought JG was doing quite well. I'll have to listen to the podcast to catch up.

Stephanie D-A brilliant. And Jane G doing a good job of drilling down - I'd say she gets it.

Tavistock woman not coming off well at all.

This is good, though. I think people who are hearing about this properly for the first time would be getting a clear picture. And not a happy one.

Too much time spent on Lewis, talking about Lewis.

Lewis is a friend a collaberator with the art projects by Fox and Owl.
Lewis featured on the Channel 4 program, 'My transsexual summer'

Jane Garvey is pushing that 'sex is observed'

A tiny, optimistic part of me thinks that JG is a secret MNer and the 'asking people to listen first' is her giving us a sign that she has tied up the woke bros and this is going to be a proper discussion.

It's Monday morning though. The week has not yet worn me down.

Here goes. Stephanie Davies Arai!

Jane Garvey is stressing WH hopes this will be balanced and asking people to listen first before joining the debate.

Radio 4 has been interesting listening this morning.
THe last segment on the Today program was with Catherine Meyer (WEP) about the minimising of sexual harrassment as 'banter'.

I think Sarah Vine joined the discussion too.

Then a program interviewing Helena Kennedy about her book, 'Eve was Shamed'

I went past the BBC at lunchtime recently. The people coming out were overwhelmingly white middle class.
I think their figures of TG people are probably bollocks.

I can just see John Humphreys, and Jenni Murray getting forms asking what gender they are, and both of them going
This is fucking bollocks I don't have a gender.
Woke guy decides that they must be trans.