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Famous undeclared GC people?

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ProfessionalBarren · 27/10/2018 11:48

Who do you think might be gender critical on the quiet? David Baddiel has just posted something about polyamory on a twitter thread about the doxxing of a GC uni professor. I think he must see this is all Pomo nonsense. Obviously we have Graham Linehan who’s been a compete star.

But are so many other intelligent, critically thinking famous people out there, especially the comedians, there must surely be some who are desperate to call out TRA bullshit. Where are they all hiding?

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Charliethefeminist · 27/10/2018 21:34

I think with politicians there is something of a justification. I feel very certain that plenty of MPs are working behind the scenes on this but feel that their efforts would be undermined by going hugely public. I think it's true that a lot of work can be done quietly - after all they are legislators, and will feel that they will stand up when it matters, at the vote.

OytheBumbler · 27/10/2018 21:22

Mary Beard is also staying very quiet.
And tbf, I don't blame her.

ProfessionalBarren · 27/10/2018 20:34

True. It’s the politicians who really do have a responsibility to engage with this issue.

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BlardyBlar · 27/10/2018 20:31

Given the track record so far, @Glinner has found himself in trouble with the police, and Alison Moyet was hounded into backing out and leaving Twitter. People at universities are obviously at risk of losing their jobs. A few celebrities have enough money that they no longer need to earn, but many others probably fear a big drop in income as there are massive tax bills to be met and bills to be paid.

There are still too few “out” for safety in numbers. And probably still many who are wondering what all the fuss is about.

It’s the cowardice and ignorance of politicians that has really shocked me.

Valanice1989 · 27/10/2018 20:07

I agree about JK Rowling. I suspected it long before she started "liking" GC tweets. I noticed that she would frequently call out racism, misogyny, homophobia, classism, etc. online, but always stayed quiet about trans issues. That was very telling.

AspieAndProud · 27/10/2018 20:07

I think Brian Cox made some mild joke about how when he was a lad cis and trans referred to isomers and then suffered a pile on and withdrew.

ProfessionalBarren · 27/10/2018 20:01

It’s shocking that expressing a genuinely held belief, which aligns with scientific fact and is not hateful, can be silenced like this. I absolutely deplore that they’ve done in higher education to squash this debate, it’s shameful. My heart goes out to Nina Edge.

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AspieAndProud · 27/10/2018 20:00

I'm sure I've seen Richard Dawkins comment on it once too, can't remember what exactly but it was on the rational science-based side

Dawkins is getting on a bit and his health isn’t too good. He had a stroke last year. He might touch on the subject in passing but I don’t think he wants to pick a new fight at this late stage in his career.

I’d like to hear Prof Alice Roberts or Nessa Carey speak up.

Carey’s possibly not a household name but as a science writer (she’s written on epigenetics) and a lesbian she has some skin in the game.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/10/2018 19:59

I think it's fine to discuss and, where appropriate express disappointment. And anything which is clearly already out there in the public domain, well, that's not going to 'out' anyone.

Regardless of whether she's GC or not, that's a jolly good tweet from Saunders!

JC4PMPLZ · 27/10/2018 19:56

An artist called Nina Edge got sacked from a uni for tweets a couple of days ago, after a few hours' campaign against her. Who would put their head above parapet?

ProfessionalBarren · 27/10/2018 19:49

Should we really not discuss this? Honest question - is it out of bounds?

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HandsOffMyRights · 27/10/2018 19:24

Hannah Gadsby?

Might be clutching at straws, but this was the Jennifer tweet. jennifer saunders (@ferrifrump) Tweeted:
Dear @BBCNews please note how many times ‘women’ and ‘girls ‘ and ‘victims’ are mentioned and at no point the word ‘man’ or ‘men’ . Who is doing the harassment? t.co/kczNPFCaXC twitter.com/ferrifrump/status/1054643895756378112?s=17

HandsOffMyRights · 27/10/2018 19:20

I'd hope Jennifer Saunders. She posted something the other day to do with feminism and it gave me a hint. By proxy I hope that Dawn French, Kathy Burke (friends with James Dreyfus) and Lumley might be).

I think Richard O'Brien who brought us the original Sweet Transvestite is GC too.

I've given up on Caitlin Moran, Grace Dent, Sharon Horgan and co.

If JK spoke out, maybe Emma Watson would re-think her naivety.

ArkeNOTen · 27/10/2018 19:04

FGS don’t ‘out’ any of them! I think if they are liking GC posts they are preparing themselves and doing watchful waiting. It’s up to them when they weigh in.

From the Me Too think I think we should have learnt how difficult it. An be to speak out against the tide witness lots of people being blamed for not saying what had happened to them earlier. I know it’s not quite as personal but nevertheless ...

ProfessionalBarren · 27/10/2018 17:42

Jo Brand has definitely stuck her toe in. There’s no way she isn’t GC. I think Pullman was pretty poor on this, did the whole ‘bad behaviour on both sides’ tripe IIRC.

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ErrolTheDragon · 27/10/2018 17:41

I'm interested in the thoughts of people like Malala. I'm sure she gets it, and she's obviously very brave too, yet she hasn't said anything either way I think?

I think she'd be wise to stay well out of what might seem to her a very first-world problem. I think she's going to be too important a campaigner on education for all children including girls worldwide to be wounded in a twitter war re gender in the West. Afghanistan is shutting down girls education again ... I'd much rather she was thinking about that tbh.

pigsknickers · 27/10/2018 17:31

I was just going to ask about Jo Brand! That's good to read, I think she's fab.

ScienceRoar · 27/10/2018 17:12

Jo Brand. She stuck up for Germaine Greer.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/women-avoid-transgender-debate-fear-reaction-jo-brand-germaine-greer-feminism

trumpdump · 27/10/2018 16:46

Do Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins count? 

hellraising · 27/10/2018 16:42

Philip Pullman recently tweeted about it, but didn't declare any sort of side from what I can remember

wopbamboo · 27/10/2018 15:41

I have seen Amanda Abbington tweet something that was Verging on GC and I would be very very surprised if Caitlin Moran wasn't also.

SpannerInTheWorks · 27/10/2018 15:34

India Knight and Marina O'Loughlin... Both tentatively declaring themselves (this was after the "womxn" row last month)

Famous undeclared GC people?
ProfessionalBarren · 27/10/2018 15:32

I couldn’t believe what happened to Alison Moyet. Yes, perhaps celebs have ‘learnt their lesson’ from the various AWA social media pile ons.

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raisinsraisins · 27/10/2018 15:16

Look at what happened to Alison Moyet - it’s a big risk to go against accepted left wing views now. Think Boy George is on Terfblocker. JK Rowling has liked some GC comments. She posts a lot about left wing anti-semitism too. As does Boy George as he refused to boycott Israel in his tour.

placemats · 27/10/2018 15:05

The He for She campaign was a roll my eyes moment and it' certainly died a death post MeToo.

I honestly don't believe that ANY celebrity believes that TWAW.