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Another Woman Hounded Out of Employment...

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SunsetBeetch · 27/10/2018 10:53

A twitter account called @thewhitepube, run by two intensely irritating very young women, has been targetting a woman called Nina Edge for alleged 'transphobia', which has apparently culminated in her being sacked.

Excuse me WHO is running the @welshstreets account and retweeting bad terf bullshit logic?

I will loudly bang this drum tomorrow when everyone’s awake 😊 @edge_nina @welshstreets pls let me know in the meantime!! Sweet dreams Xxxxx

It appear the Welsh Streets account has become the soapbox for artist @edge_nina (who was recently commissioned to do the winter garden) to spout transphobia, does that represent the view of all involved in the Welsh Streets effort?

I understand why people followed the account in the past (because their housing activism has been good for Liverpool) but I would urge everyone to unfollow in the meantime because you are just putting your trans followers and audiences at arms length in the meantime.

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Difranco123 · 29/10/2018 13:59

Exactly IfNotNow, I doubt they gave a second thought to the people that live here. I hope it serves to make people less sympathetic to their cause.

Ereshkigal · 29/10/2018 13:58

As ever, George Orwell was way ahead of the rest of us here.

So much this.

Nofedora · 29/10/2018 13:57

I have seen 12 year olds with more maturity. Spiteful little shits.

GenderApostate · 29/10/2018 13:54

According to Jennifer James they aren’t even students at LJM, which actually makes it even worse.

RiverTam · 29/10/2018 13:51

These are two of the most spiteful women I have ever come across. But I believe they will get what's coming to them, in spades. I'm not going to write what I hope happens to them but it would be biblical.

Nasty, stupid, hateful little brats.

SunsetBeetch · 29/10/2018 13:44

I wonder if amy of this has been driven by a tinge of jealousy too? Nina is obviously talented, and has engaged in actual activism.

Ps. These people aren't that young. The bratty art critics are 23, and the other person I linked to is 26.

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PinaGrigio · 29/10/2018 13:31

That is shocking, Difranco and I'm so sorry to read that. How upsetting for you and the other residents. The level of entitlement is truly unbelievable in this lot.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 29/10/2018 13:22

Jesus Christ Difranco.
That makes me SO angry. A community try hard to overcome adversity and make where they live better, and trans activists come and trash the place.
The narcissism is outrageous. And the blindness. They are not just oblivious to the challenges of working class people (or should that be "folk"?) They are actively attacking them.
So righteous. HmmAngry

Nofedora · 29/10/2018 13:20

I wonder if there is anyway money could be raised to help Nina and/or take this matter forward

Difranco123 · 29/10/2018 13:14

This may out me but I don’t care. I live in the Welsh Streets. The houses here were left derelict and were going to be demolished until local people stepped in and fought for them to be saved. It’s a really exciting project and a positive thing for a community that has had lots of problems in the past.

At the beginning of the Welsh Streets there is a big mural on the side of one of the houses, it’s the first thing people will see when they come to this area and it has been defaced by trans activists. It’s such a smack in the face for all the people, including Nina, who have worked hard to improve this place. I’ve been gender critical for a while now but seeing their “art work” on my way home last night has pushed me to be more vocal and take on these entitled idiots.

Manderleyagain · 29/10/2018 13:07

I don't think the pair of art critic 'babygods' are students. Neither are they babies or Gods. Whether they are art critics is for someone else to judge.
I think they were just picking on this art critic for fun, or maybe for their own sense of power, not because she is their tutor.

VenusInSpurs · 29/10/2018 12:44

Is anyone reporting these 'Babygods' (oh, please!) to the University? For deliberate bullying?

And have they, as students presumably used to the need for rigorous analysis and evidence, actually said what it is that Nina Edge has done (sic).

PinaGrigio · 29/10/2018 12:41

Then that's the university's disciplinary case against her right there, and ditto the tutor's. All LJMU students will have signed up to this:

www.ljmu.ac.uk/~/media/sample-sharepoint-libraries/policy-documents/139.pdf?la=en

whether they realise it or not. Students don't always appreciate what they've signed up to, funnily enough. Clause 7 explains how to make a complaint about a student's behaviour.

I still haven't seen any formal confirmation from LJMU that they have in fact sacked Nina Edge, so I'd be willing to bet that there is a lot going on behind the scenes.

JoanSummers · 29/10/2018 12:36

That person should be reported to their university. They have admitted to bullying a member of staff and are making defamatory posts about them in public on social media. Their university should be aware of that and take appropriate disciplinary action.

There is a second student I saw in twitter today who was also part of this and the university should again be investigating them too.

I think the University needs to make a statement that they are taking the names of all involved students and investigating their actions and social media (for defamation), then will take any necessary disciplinary actions. If they don't do this then isn't the University complicit in any negative impact on Nina Edge, given they are aware this is going on?

Datun · 29/10/2018 10:15

She's admitted in public a plan to bully someone into resigning?

What an idiot.

A dangerous, nasty idiot.

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 29/10/2018 09:35

I gotta read that again tiger!

IfNotNowThenWooOoOoo · 29/10/2018 09:34

Fuck me that Twatter person is a sanctimonious knob.
So, she was worried that a gender critical artist teaching there would open the doors to racism..because....if you don't think men are actually women you must be a far right Nazi...
I think the problem here is that these kids have never actually met anyone who doesn't asscribe (or say they ascribe) to every view they hold. Dissent on any part line is deeply shocking to them.
So shocking they actually beleive in "compulsory re-education"...Shock
(They're totally ok with ageism though, that's all good).
Shit, I remember arguing with actual NF skinheads that would have happily kicked my head in, and I was even younger than they are.
They are pampered, over cosseted cowards. At least their smarmy fake righteousness is recorded on the Internet forever. Serves them right.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 29/10/2018 08:33

As ever, George Orwell was way ahead of the rest of us here.

'What are you in for?' said Winston.

'Thoughtcrime!' said Parsons, almost blubbering. The tone of his voice implied at once a complete admission of his guilt and a sort of incredulous horror that such a word could be applied to himself. He paused opposite Winston and began eagerly appealing to him: 'You don't think they'll shoot me, do you, old chap? They don't shoot you if you haven't actually done anything -- only thoughts, which you can't help? I know they give you a fair hearing. Oh, I trust them for that! They'll know my record, won't they? You know what kind of chap I was. Not a bad chap in my way. Not brainy, of course, but keen. I tried to do my best for the Party, didn't I? I'll get off with five years, don't you think? Or even ten years? A chap like me could make himself pretty useful in a labour-camp. They wouldn't shoot me for going off the rails just once?'

'Are you guilty?' said Winston.

'Of course I'm guilty!' cried Parsons with a servile glance at the telescreen. 'You don't think the Party would arrest an innocent man, do you?' His frog-like face grew calmer, and even took on a slightly sanctimonious expression. 'Thoughtcrime is a dreadful thing, old man,' he said sententiously. 'It's insidious. It can get hold of you without your even knowing it. Do you know how it got hold of me? In my sleep! Yes, that's a fact. There I was, working away, trying to do my bit -- never knew I had any bad stuff in my mind at all. And then I started talking in my sleep. Do you know what they heard me saying?'

He sank his voice, like someone who is obliged for medical reasons to utter an obscenity.

"Down with Big Brother!" Yes, I said that! Said it over and over again, it seems. Between you and me, old man, I'm glad they got me before it went any further. Do you know what I'm going to say to them when I go up before the tribunal? "Thank you," I'm going to say, "thank you for saving me before it was too late."

'Who denounced you?' said Winston.

'It was my little daughter,' said Parsons with a sort of doleful pride. 'She listened at the keyhole. Heard what I was saying, and nipped off to the patrols the very next day. Pretty smart for a nipper of seven, eh? I don't bear her any grudge for it. In fact I'm proud of her. It shows I brought her up in the right spirit, anyway.'

gendercritter · 29/10/2018 07:58

What a pair of utter thugs. I'm speechless.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 29/10/2018 07:45

I suppose melodrama is the purview of the young and clueless.

I imagine if you expend so much energy ensuring your environment contains nothing which challenges the limpid blandness of your critical thinking apparatus, even minor bumps against your smug self-righteousness must feel like colliding with a meteor.

SunsetBeetch · 29/10/2018 07:39

I'm actually struck speechless that these people think they are right and good.

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SunsetBeetch · 29/10/2018 07:37

This is one of the people who went to the "meeting". Her TL at the moment is just...wow...

twitter.com/MetallicNuance/status/1056653485180096512?s=19

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Coyoacan · 29/10/2018 01:43

Well they have all the power of the establishment behind them, don't they?

The irony too that in the art world where people spend their lives trying to be controversial, that the most controversial thing an artist can say, so controversial that they lose their job over it, is that men cannot become women.

AngryAttackKittens · 29/10/2018 00:29

I feel like "that's nice, dear" and a pat on the head is the most appropriate response the poor bastard at the Uni who had to listen to their complaint could have given.

When you're at university your views are supposed to be challenged. That's part of what universities are for.

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