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Another Woman Hounded Out of Employment...

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SunsetBeetch · 27/10/2018 10:53

A twitter account called @thewhitepube, run by two intensely irritating very young women, has been targetting a woman called Nina Edge for alleged 'transphobia', which has apparently culminated in her being sacked.

Excuse me WHO is running the @welshstreets account and retweeting bad terf bullshit logic?

I will loudly bang this drum tomorrow when everyone’s awake 😊 @edge_nina @welshstreets pls let me know in the meantime!! Sweet dreams Xxxxx

It appear the Welsh Streets account has become the soapbox for artist @edge_nina (who was recently commissioned to do the winter garden) to spout transphobia, does that represent the view of all involved in the Welsh Streets effort?

I understand why people followed the account in the past (because their housing activism has been good for Liverpool) but I would urge everyone to unfollow in the meantime because you are just putting your trans followers and audiences at arms length in the meantime.

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SunsetBeetch · 30/10/2018 13:46

Some more from The White Pube's Instagram, in case they do have a clear out.. I wonder what the wider art world thinks of their behaviour?

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SunsetBeetch · 30/10/2018 13:39

Screenshot in case Paul Kenyon deletes. He probably won't though, he appears to have no shame in his misogyny.

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MoltenLasagne · 30/10/2018 13:27

I find it quite remarkable that a councillor can presume to talk on behalf of a whole city and say that acknowledging biology is not wanted in Liverpool.

SunsetBeetch · 30/10/2018 12:03

Screenshots of the White Pube's instagram, where they condone the graffiti

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littlbrowndog · 30/10/2018 11:58

Jeez what an idiot he is - below from Paul Kenyon

Honestly, a bit of graffiti is annoying, although it's easily removed. Are you asking me to compare the positive message behind this graffiti against the hate fuelled message from yours stickers? You should re-read the minutes of last council. I think we, as a city, were clear.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 30/10/2018 11:52

What! Shock [anger]

PerthaBley · 30/10/2018 11:16

And in fact, support for the grafitti from a councillor....

LiverpoolReSisters · 30/10/2018 10:20

So far, a complete lack of condemnation from Liverpool Councillors for this behaviour.

twitter.com/LiverpoolReSis1/status/1057173602439757824?s=19

JoanSummers · 30/10/2018 09:00

silkpyjamasallday

I have followed The White Pube for a while (I am no longer after this debacle), and I was quite shocked to see their Instagram stories inciting hatred against Nina, who from what I could see had not said anything remotely hateful.

Instagram stories are designed to disappear after a short time. A function easily exploited by people running a smear campaign :/

Did you get any screenshots? They might be useful if Edge pursues legal action, which she really should.

VenusInSpurs · 30/10/2018 08:47

Rabbit: not all Transwomen, but certain TRAs.

Disgusted by the vandalism to The Welsh Streets. Complete lack of respect for a community in an area of total deprivation who worked so hard. No one else’s rights or concerns matter then?
“Support trans rights “ is a reasonable enough message. I am all for supporting everyone’s rights to be free from abuse, harassment, discrimination.... but it is not reasonable to destroy a community’s mural to make your point.

Projection would have been much better. It does no harm Wink

Rabbit62 · 29/10/2018 20:51

I watch the incidents like this from a slight distance - I have now retired. But I think the incidents show very very clearly the concerns that women (as in adult humans) have about trans women are very very real. There is real violence. There is harassment. There is something to be frightened of. Trans women appear to be carrying their male aggression with them. A sort of own goal. Women can be clearly seen to need their own spaces that do not include trans women - or how can they be safe?

ProfessionalBarren · 29/10/2018 20:30

I can’t believe anyone would be so stupid and morally bankrupt as to do that. So sad.

SunsetBeetch · 29/10/2018 19:15

Hi just seen this retweeted by someone I follow re the mural.

"Not sure the mural was actually done by her but she’s well known for having over a decade of campaigning to save The Welsh Streets area - and given the timing, it can’t be a coincidence."

"Apparently the mural is by the v talented Paul Curtis, commissioned by Place First. If Nina had done it, I’m sure there’d be more than two women and more than one black person included in the b&w portraits!"

twitter.com/bev13thdisciple/status/1056972067655028736?s=19

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RiverTam · 29/10/2018 18:20

Wow. Well, if they get caught for that the real world is going to slap them in the face and no mistake, and good, I hope they’re sent reeling.

Difranco123 · 29/10/2018 18:08

Yes, that’s the one. They’ve scrawled “supports trans rights” in black paint. I’m not aware who the artist is, but Nina has links to the Welsh streets so assume that’s why they’ve targeted here.

VenusInSpurs · 29/10/2018 17:55

Difranco - is it the massive lettering that says 'The Welsh Streets' on the end of a house?

What have they done to it? And why? Because if it is that, Nine E wasn't the artist, was she?

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Difranco123 · 29/10/2018 17:31

I will take a picture tomorrow and contact the Echo. It will be interesting to see if the mayor has anything to say about this given he was so vocal about the stickers on Crosby beach.

silkpyjamasallday · 29/10/2018 17:12

I have followed The White Pube for a while (I am no longer after this debacle), and I was quite shocked to see their Instagram stories inciting hatred against Nina, who from what I could see had not said anything remotely hateful. The TRAs have managed to get these women, who are supposedly trying to open up the art world, to hound a female artist and activist out of a job and subject her to trial by social media. It is pathetic cyber bullying, but has real world consequences for the victims. I'm the same age as them and I think it is very easy as a young woman to not realise the extent that we are still disadvantaged as a class, which is why so many go along with the TWAW shite.

I do believe they will look back at this and realise their foolishness and spitefulness. I'm sure if they happened to find themselves on the wrong side of the thought police they would be quite upset at having their livelihoods threatened and people whipping up internet trolls into a frenzy of digital hate mail.

TheCountryGirl · 29/10/2018 16:47

That Heart creature is one stupid bastard.🤬

hellandhairnets · 29/10/2018 16:32

I think they were just picking on this art critic for fun, or maybe for their own sense of power

Exactly. They and the other one are just getting a kick out of their own perceived power.They obviously never grew out of the school bullying mentality. What silly, privileged little girls.

I hope what's happened to the mural is widely publicised, Difranco. The selfish narcissism needs calling out. People like this do not deserve the time of day. They are certainly not "oppressed" in any way.

Manderleyagain · 29/10/2018 16:22

Difranco. That's awful. The local press should be interested in this story, especially if there is a good visual of before and after of the mural. More people need to hear about what goes on. It wouldn't need any embellishment - just a straight deadpan description of the antics will be enough to open a few eyes.

Juells · 29/10/2018 16:15

"We were just going to socially ostracise her until she felt to uncomfortable to continue teaching at the University.*

Who could object to that? [innocent face]

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TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 29/10/2018 16:12

^I think the problem here is that these kids have never actually met anyone who doesn't asscribe (or say they ascribe) to every view they hold. Dissent on any part line is deeply shocking to them.
So shocking they actually beleive in "compulsory re-education"...shock
(They're totally ok with ageism though, that's all good).^

Bang on, IfNotNow!

Juells · 29/10/2018 15:48

When a group of people decide to ostracise someone (which is what the student said they did) isn't that classed as bullying and excluding?

BreakWindandFire · 29/10/2018 14:34

That's awful Difranco - do you have a picture of the damage done?