10 women in 22 days - wtf Australia?

We have a couple of people bitten by sharks and every shark has a price on its head. A few dozen women are killed by domestic partners or strangers and oh well, she shouldn't have been doing X Y or Z should she.

There is a good FB page called Destroy the Joint which updates regularly the number of women murdered (as well as other issues affecting women in Australia).

As others have said, being Indigenous means that there is a higher percentage that you will be involved in family violence, be sexually assaulted, be a victim of child abuse, be an alcoholic and die much earlier.

Why is this happening? To be perfectly Australian, fucked if i know.

Women have run women only workshops and services, these often attempt to include women from insular and patriarchal communities, and these are gradually being closed by austerity measures and MRA agitation.

Worldwide, male entitlement and violence is the core problem faced by women.

To ignore that when it's pointed out, and just say "but what about white men?" is ridiculous
This makes it sound like you don't want to discuss male violence if it's white men. Therefore racist. May not have been your intention but your attitudes to non-white people are evident in all your posts. You seem keen to make violence a race issue (And also a complex, hard to solve race issue) rather than a sex issue. It could be you don't want to recognise that all men have the potential to murder women, even nice, middle class, white men. Maybe it makes you feel uncomfortable to face that.

Ryan and Luke Hart have spoken about the way language is used when the murders of women are reported in the press.

metro.co.uk/2018/07/26/my-father-killed-my-mum-and-sister-yet-media-reports-made-him-look-like-the-victim-7755179/

inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/after-losing-their-mother-and-sister-at-the-hands-of-their-father-luke-and-ryan-hart-are-shining-a-light-on-coercive-control/

www.telegraph.co.uk/family/relationships/hoped-controlling-father-would-die-instead-murdered-mother/

Two incredibly thoughtful and inspirational men, doing their mother and sister proud.

It’s appalling :(

Not sure how it's racist of me to acknowledge that there are cultural complexities in the country I live in, which make it a very difficult issue to address. To say that it is a more prevalent issue in Indigenous communities is not racist - it is statistically supported. If you have an issue with me pointing out that this post is lacking context, tough. You can continue looking daft by suggesting that the problems the UK face are indistinct from the issues Australia faces.

red you sound racist.
This is a men problem. Not an aboriginal problem or a white problem.

Racecardriver Can I ask what is "the up"? Not heard the phrase before. Googling gets the Michigan Upper Peninsula!

I am an Australian woman living in Australia and I can assure you that these statistics encompass the whole population. While statistically speaking, the Aboriginal population has a higher incidence of domestic violence/abuse/death from domestic violence, the rest of the population is shamefully high also. This is largely due to the culture associated with alcohol and drugs.

It's not about excuses, Upstart, I was simply pointing out that saying "what the fuck Australia" about high domestic violence rates is displaying alarming ignorance as to the cultural disparity and challenges that Australia faces with its indigenous population on an ongoing basis. You cannot compare the UK to Australia/NZ, because they are vastly difference and face very different challenges in dealing with the issue of domestic violence. To ignore that when it's pointed out, and just say "but what about white men?" is ridiculous. What about white men in the UK? I doubt highly the rates of domestic violence by white men in Australia are higher than those of the UK. So what about your white men?

So whats the excuse for the white men?

Obviously it's not "just" the Indigenous population, but domestic violence rates are up to 40 times higher in Indigenous communities than they are in "white" communities, so I would say that the issue is far more prevalent in that population, and that makes it a much more issue thing to target because there are a myriad of factors which arguably play into the prevalence of domestic violence in those communities.

Yes, but Upstart, that's not what the situation is in Australia/NZ/other countries which were colonised and where the native populations were marginalised/where genocide occurred etc. It's just not the same.

Rotherham etc was simply an issue of the police force not bothering with the issue because the victims were not really important to anyone

I'm speechless. There were parents and girls who begged for help, for years.
There is an ongoing institutionalized support for abuse in our country.
If you think it doesn't happen here its because you have your eyes wide shut.

@arranfan that is not even remotely similar to issues with indigenous populations. Red draf is right. People in the up have no idea what it is like dealing with an problematic ethnic minority that owes most of its issues to historic abuse, abduction, systematic eradication, downright grnocide etc of the white majority. You can’t just go into one of these communities and even attempt to help them because outsiders are reasonably mistrusted but finding and supporting people within these communities to take on this kind of work is very difficult. Rotherham etc was simply an issue of the police force not bothering with the issue because the victims were not really important to anyone and there would have been a fuss kicked up about race relations. Where indigenous populations are concerned there is pretty much nothing to be done asides from throwing money at the population and hoping they sort themselves out.

I don't think people in the UK understand how difficult an issue this is to address in a country with constant cultural conflict and resentment.

In the UK I think we would have people make the case that our understanding of the fraught nature of raising comparably difficult issues is reflected in the maladroit and shameful handling of Rotherham - and the fact that similar is still happening.

Men are taken out of the equation when reporting violence against women or the killing of women because, over time, the sheer repetition would mean we couldn't avoid questioning the harm of our patriarchy and social structures.

The patriarchy is harmful to so many groups and very probably underpins an amount of male on male violence and death. And it's certainly expensive in so many ways (the financial cost pales into insignificance when contrasted with the emotional, civic, social, familial and other costs).

HairyStorm wrote something interesting in another thread:

When we're talking about oligarchy, we're not talking about the malesuperior/femaleinferior concept or the injustices of its manifestations. We're talking about a different sex of power relations. In an oligarchy, the elite is the particular small group of people who get the superior tag added to their group. Everyone else gets the inferiority tag. And what we see in the real world is: within oligarchies, even the males at the very bottom of the power heap still benefit from malesuperior being infused in everything, because there are still women around taking on everything associated with the femaleinferior concept.

So these men who want to "dismantle the patriarchy" because they don't like oligarchy aren't actually proposing the dismantle the malesuperior/femaleinferior dichotomy [do I mean dichotomy or binary? Not sure; but you get what I mean]. They're proposing to dismantle a separate power structure - but they've learned that the name for The Elite, The Powers That Be, The People Who Run The World etc etc is "patriarchy".

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3404163-Wheres-your-personal-feminist-analysis-currently-at?messages=100&pg=1

Why would they want to obfuscate something obvious? That's the point.

It's a big problem (bigger, actually) in New Zealand. The disproportionate rates of domestic violence among indigenous groups in these countries is a big part of the statistics. I don't think people in the UK understand how difficult an issue this is to address in a country with constant cultural conflict and resentment.

Oh arrafan cross post! If you're says it so much better!

I can't UNsee it now!

I came across an interesting Australian Facebook campaign a while ago trying to change reporting of these incidents away from the passive.

Ie Men killed 10 women in the last 22 days

Since I read it I've realised it is always reported in the passive tense. Those silly women getting themselves killed.

I can't I see it now!