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Oxford Student newspaper doxes Twitter account by possible criminal unauthorised use of a comptuer system

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QuietContraryMary · 26/10/2018 14:29

Heads up.

www.oxfordstudent.com/2018/10/26/transphobic-tweets-linked-to-oxford-sociology-professor/

"The Twitter account, named Henry Wimbush and still online at the time of publication, has been tweeting statements such as “transphobia is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons” since first Tweeting in January.

"it was found that the account in question could be linked to a partial phone number and Yahoo! email using freely available data and by making use of Twitter’s various functions. The Yahoo! email itself is also linked to a phone number ending in the same numbers as those previously identified, while also revealing that it is connected to the" [partially redacted email]

How this hack works:

go to twitter.com/login

click 'forgotten your password'

type in your username, or a third party's username

you will get a message something like this:

We found the following information associated with your account.
Text a code to my phone ending in 12.
Email a link to ab*********@a.**

Note that:

  • the last digits of the phone number can be used to tie your account to any phone number, since there are obviously 100 different combinations, so if it matches a phone number known by the doxer, it essentially identifies you
  • I'm not clear exactly how much information is given on email addresses in every case, but at a minimum you get the first two letters of the username (before the @), the first two letters of the domain name (the bit after the @), and the exact length of both parts of the address.

So for example, if you signed up, anonymously, to Twitter using the email address justine*@mumsnet.com, then it would show to any attacker ju******@mu.** if they tried to recover it in order to dox the owner.

The use of this feature in order to dox people most likely constitutes an offence under the Computer Misuse Act s1 as the use of this feature to dox people is clearly not authorised by Twitter, and I would encourage those affected to report the people involved to the police.

Hence I am not repeating the criminally obtained dox of the person, and I would encourage people NOT the repeat the name in this thread.

Note that this doxing follows quite soon from Aimee Challenor boasting of outing Miranda Yardley's Twitter account using the same means.

Whether there are more serious offences committed is hard to say, as the doxing itself is obviously a preparatory act to having people fired, harassed, threatened, family & children harassed, and so on, but the doing so is not necessarily planned by the original doxer so it would be hard to prove a more serious offence.

I would advise those who are on Twitter and are not using their real name to create a gmail/yahoo/other anonymous webmail account, matching the twitter username (so if you are @ARealRadFem on Twitter, make a yahoo mail account [email protected]). In terms of the phone verification that's a little trickier as the 1/100 last two digits is VERY outing if they have a suspicion who you are, but otherwise completely useless. I have had some luck in the past with adding an extra digit (so if you are 07812 456789, you can add an extra digit on like this 07812 4567890, and verification phone calls still work), but YMMV on that.

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LemonJello · 26/10/2018 15:47

Plenty of people do. Why not you?

LemonJello · 26/10/2018 15:45

I'm not just going to post my personal information on here

Why ever not?

QuietContraryMary · 26/10/2018 15:44

I see a few issues here:

(a) the list of crimes of the accused Prof is pisspoor

'The account’s bio states: “AMAB transmasculine non-binary demiboy. Polyam aro/ace. 2 + 2 = 4”. This appears to be mocking certain labels of the LGBTQ+ community: “polyam[orous]” – “the practice of engaging in multiple sexual relationships” – and “aro/ace” – short for aromantic, meaning “having no interest in or desire for romantic relationships” alongside asexual, meaning “without sexual feelings or associations” – are clearly intended to sound self-contradictory. “2 + 2 = 4” also appears to be a reference to George Orwell’s 1984.'

(b) The way that the doxing appears to have been performed, apparently solely by use of the 'password recovery function' to identify the user as an Oxford sociology employee. I think on some level, if you say were posting as MrHenryWimbush on one site, and then on another with the same handle, and outed yourself that way, well tough shit really. But using a security function to out people is clearly not justifiable.

(c) Orangestudent's victim-blaming "Its his fault for being a moron and using his university email account."

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nauticant · 26/10/2018 15:44

I take a more holistic view of all of this. TRAs believe that once we're at the point where everyone feels that they cannot criticise the gender identity ideology because of fear of the consequences, then victory will be achieved. I'd say that long before that happens there'll be a very strong backlash that won't just be coming from the gender critical community but will also be coming from the public at large.

Many of the "victories" that give the gender identity ideology a higher profile in the mind of the general public will prove to be defeats.

OrangeStudent · 26/10/2018 15:43

I'm not just going to post my personal information on here, but if someone worked out who I was I would have absolutely no issue what so ever with it. I say very similar things elsewhere under my own name.

LangCleg · 26/10/2018 15:41

Welcome to Mumsnet, OrangeStudent!

User10fuckingmillion · 26/10/2018 15:41

I'm so confused

LemonJello · 26/10/2018 15:40

If you are needing to use burner phones to protect your identity from the things you are saying, perhaps you need to reevaluate your views and conduct on twitter.

So why not use your real name on here Orange, hmm?

FermatsTheorem · 26/10/2018 15:39

I think Oxford University's consideration of free speech & fundamental values may prove to be different to the one you seem to anticipate.

Yes, this as well!

peepholepringle · 26/10/2018 15:38

I agree @R0wantrees

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 15:37

There's a familiarity of tone and style of expression.

StarsAndWater · 26/10/2018 15:37

Free speech includes the social consequences for your actions, individuals are entitled to argue against you and society is entitled to give you consequences for your actions. You aren't entitled to keep your job as an Oxford Professor if you hold views which are fundamentally contrary and incompatable with the values of the University.

There's a big difference between free speech and insisting on the right to dox.
Since you're so keen on people being accountable under their names, why are you using a pseudonym on here?
I'm guessing one rule for you and another for the people you don't agree with.

FermatsTheorem · 26/10/2018 15:37

Are you a student at Oxford? Their standards don't seem very high if so.

Back when I was a student, many years ago, our student newspaper "Nowheresville Student" was universally known as "Nowheresville Stupid" because the standards of journalism were so woefully low. I don't think it's an unusual state of affairs in student newspapers.

However, in this instance, I think they're simply doing old fashioned muck-raking dumpster diving, albeit in a new, high-tech way, then trying to spin the results as "Don who openly holds GC views has anon twitter account in which he, shock horror, also holds GC views."

It ain't gonna win a Pulitzer, that's for sure.

AugustL · 26/10/2018 15:36

Skimmed the article, don't see what he did that was so wrong. Anything happens to him just proves him right about their fascist nature.

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 15:35

Free speech includes the social consequences for your actions, individuals are entitled to argue against you and society is entitled to give you consequences for your actions. You aren't entitled to keep your job as an Oxford Professor if you hold views which are fundamentally contrary and incompatable with the values of the University.

I think Oxford University's consideration of free speech & fundamental values may prove to be different to the one you seem to anticipate.

QuietContraryMary · 26/10/2018 15:35

"Ditto this situation - HenryWimbush's legal beef is with twitter, not the people who did the doxxing."

Well no, because digital systems have a completely different set of laws, so analogies to physical paper aren't useful in the slightest.

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peepholepringle · 26/10/2018 15:33

Moron is a disgusting term

QuietContraryMary · 26/10/2018 15:32

"which if you read user agreements clear set out that the information will be made available."

Are you a student at Oxford? Their standards don't seem very high if so.

The agreements simply don't say that at all, and in any case it's not relevant whether an agreement between a person & Twitter provides that they might not keep your email address 100% anonymous from doxing TRAs, as to whether the act of that doxing is legal.

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OrangeStudent · 26/10/2018 15:31

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FermatsTheorem · 26/10/2018 15:31

I think our new visitor is right about the legalities of the situation.

Take the low-tech example of that old-fashioned tabloid journalism technique, dumpster diving.

If celebrity A fails to shred stuff before it goes in the bin, knowing that journos do this sort of thing, they're a fool.

If they employ a firm of commercial cleaners to (among other things) shred their documents before they go in the bin, and the firm fails to do this, and a journo digs them out, celebrity A should be suing the firm of cleaners for breach of contract, not the journo.

Ditto this situation - HenryWimbush's legal beef is with twitter, not the people who did the doxxing.

As for why one might keep details secret and seek anonymity, it could be to hide unsavoury views. Or it could be that even mainstream feminist views are being used as the basis to send rape and death threats and approach employers. Or it could be that you work in a job where you are allowed to be politically active so long as it is not tied back to your place of employment, so you choose to do your activism under a pseudonym (this will apply to most junior civil servants for e.g. - they can for example go on political demos, but not put posts on social media of the form "I, real-name, who works for Ministry Blah, thinks politician Bloggs is a complete waste of space and doesn't read any of the briefs we send him or understand them once they've been read.") Or it could be that you want to talk in general terms about something covered by an NDA (for instance, equal pay claims are routinely covered by NDAs, and someone who has successfully brought an equal pay claim might want to say, in an online discussion, when confronted with a sexist who says "the gender pay gap is a myth", "oh yeah, so how come I won an equal pay claim then?"). Or it might be because you want to discuss a very contentious issue (Brexit, Indie Ref, voting Republican) without losing loads of your friends over it. Lots of reasons for online anonymity, most of them not in the slightest bit sinister.

Mamaryllis · 26/10/2018 15:30

Amazing. Smile I applaud your extremely high opinion of your own power, stude. When adolescents and those who are old enough to know better conflate a difference of belief system (with respect paid to one side by the side other, but not the reverse) to hatred and phobia, it demonstrates very clearly the failures inherent in the system.
With the ongoing adventures of Pluckrose et al, and the standing up to be counted of many academics who are tired of being accused of bigotry, I’m hopeful that we can settle into old school academia where ideas and beliefs can be robustly discussed and taken apart as they should be.
But it’s important that everyone has a voice and the authority to challenge orthodoxy. No?

peepholepringle · 26/10/2018 15:29

I'm sure he'll be fine. He only speaks the truth.

R0wantrees · 26/10/2018 15:28

Founder of TransOxford issued the following statement after the WPUK meeting referred to above:

twitter.com/i/moments/990001689422979077

"l‘m not condemning the meeting of WomansPlaceUK but the shameful campaign of bullying and intimidation organised by the students and transactivists outside of the QuakerHouse.
I’ve studied in Oxford, once a capital of freethought and freespeech, known for its fair debates with respect to the opinions of one’s opponents and refreshingly skilful and witty arguments challenging their views.

Bullying, although surfacing occasionally, was never welcome, especially, in the LGBT circles having too many victims of it knowing only too well how much it hurts. But last night the tables have turned - and the bullied became the bullies

I founded TransOxford in 2015 to promote the greater unity and more extensive communications between the separate transgender groups some of which had no idea of the others existing in the same city.

It eventually became a connecting hub between the trans groups in London Brighton, Reading, Swindon, Bristol, Bath.

I was promoting unity and understanding between these groups and the society around them, acceptance and equality and, most importantly, social integration of trans people with the rest of the world.

After all, we all are humans and have more things which unite us than divide us. I stepped down after a while having my doubts about the direction transgender movement was taking and being too busy with my motherhood duties.

Being a woman, i’m a feminist. In the eyes of some radical feminists, I may be a ‘delusional male’ which doesn’t bother me. I look like a woman, live as a woman, accepted by the world at large as a woman, and that’s enough for me, I need no further justification.

My friends include feminists who care for the real cause: women’s safety, health, equal opportunities, empowerment of women and recognition of their achievements.

In today’s Britain where misogyny isn’t a crime but transphobia is, we have too little time to discuss biology and chromosomes. We need to talk about the more important issues. And yes, we all need to talk...

But every time I suggest this to the trans activists, I hear the same arguments in reply: they won’t listen to us, there’s no room for debate, transrights aren’t debatable, they only invite cisgender people...

I believe that ‘cisgender’ and ‘terf’ are as much hurtful and derogatory terms as ‘trannies’. Let’s avoid that language!

I think WomansPlaceUK do invite everyone as long as they have something to contribute to the debate. I know a number of transsexuals who attended and spoke at their events (and were immediately branded as apostates by the transcommunity).

‘No debate’ is the only option? What are you going to do with so many women and transsexuals who support WomansplaceUK ? Eliminate them? Charge them with hatecrime after your lobbyists push through another piece of legislation?
Inviting anyone for an open debate is not a hatecrime. WomansPlaceUK has only five things on their agenda they want to discuss. Only five. Is that too much?

They want an open debate on how the new transrights might affect womensrights - what’s wrong with that? It is obvious that their rights will be affected in some way - so why not discuss their concerns in a civilised and evidence based way?" (continues)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

OrangeStudent · 26/10/2018 15:27

StarsAndWater Free speech includes the social consequences for your actions, individuals are entitled to argue against you and society is entitled to give you consequences for your actions. You aren't entitled to keep your job as an Oxford Professor if you hold views which are fundamentally contrary and incompatable with the values of the University.

QuietContraryMary · 26/10/2018 15:26

Sorry I retract this comment:

"So essentially the Tweeter having outed himself as an Oxford don, was narrowed down to one of hundreds of people, and they outed him by illegally accessing the 'recover password' function.

That was the Oxford Student being disingenuous

I found the comment in question

twitter.com/Morvern_C_/status/997511639099375616

and it looks like someone had attempted to out him, hence his very plainly sarcastic comment. That someone is most likely Kilgore Sprout, who is crowing currently, but has had a number of previous accounts, so the comment that triggered that isn't necessarily still online.

I don't believe this person is stupid, and I don't think there is in fact anything from his public tweets to out him, it looks like the outing came solely from the 'recovery password' function, which in the case of Oxford Uni addresses is VERY outing.

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