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Science post on fb explaining transgender

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Randomusername01 · 26/10/2018 07:40

*I just commented this on a transphobic post that was all like, "In a sexual species, females have two X chromosomes and males have an X and a Y, I'm not a bigot it's just science." I'm a science teacher so I responded with this.

First of all, in a sexual species, you can have females be XX and males be X (insects), you can have females be ZW and males be ZZ (birds), you can have females be females because they developed in a warm environment and males be males because they developed in a cool environment (reptiles), you can have females be females because they lost a penis sword fighting contest (some flatworms), you can have males be males because they were born female, but changed sexes because the only male in their group died (parrotfish and clownfish), you can have males look and act like females because they are trying to get close enough to actual females to mate with them (cuttlefish, bluegills, others), or you can be one of thousands of sexes (slime mold, some mushrooms.) Oh, did you mean humans? Oh ok then. You can be male because you were born female, but you have 5-alphareductase deficiency and so you grew a penis at age 12. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but you are insensitive to androgens, and so you have a female body. You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but your Y is missing the SRY gene, and so you have a female body. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but one of your X's HAS an SRY gene, and so you have a male body. You can be male because you have two X chromosomes- but also a Y. You can be female because you have only one X chromosome at all. And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male. And vice - effing - versa. Don't use science to justify your bigotry. The world is way too weird for that shit.* any science people about to help unravel it?

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MissWilmottsGhost · 26/10/2018 08:15

Typical pseudo science - include some facts then slip in some complete bollocks and hope no one sees the join.

Same technique is used by creationists, climate change deniers, conspiracy theories etc.

There is some facts about other species (irrelevant) some facts about known chromosomal and developmental disorders (intersex) and then the bit about xx chromosomes and a male brain (bollocks).

Gncq · 26/10/2018 08:04

You can't self identify as someone with a DSD.

Gncq · 26/10/2018 08:00

And you can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but your heart and brain are male

Head-desk.

Yes all the other chromosome variations are examples of DSD which is nothing you do with trans. They are always used as a "gotcha" when someone says "humans have either XX or XY chromosomes" when trying to say you can't change sex.

0ccamsRazor · 26/10/2018 07:59

waterlego surely the diagnosis of a male heart and brain was able to be done by observing their colour, blue brain for boys and pink brain from girls Wink Halo

hang on before the Victorians it was pink for boys and blue for girls?

#transsexisbollocks

Dragon3 · 26/10/2018 07:59

Humans are sexually dimorphic. Two gametes, ova and sperm. No other gametes exist.

Every single person on the planet was produced by the meeting of sperm and egg. Every single person belongs to the ova-producing category or the sperm-producing category. Whether or not their bodies are actually capable of producing ova or sperm.

FermatsTheorem · 26/10/2018 07:56

Intersex people have repeatedly asked for their experiences not to be hijacked to make cheap political points by the trans movement.

DSDs (disorders of sexual development) - the clue is in the name. They are disorders, i.e. things gone wrong with normal sexual development. Often (though not always) they leave the person with them infertile, so in evolutionary terms, they are a dead end. There's no third sex, no genuinely in-between but fertile people out there. There's no third gamete out there in humans.

Furthermore, trans people are not intersex. They are biologically normal, functioning individuals of their birth sex, as likely to be fertile (or suffering from fertility problems) as the rest of us - witness the number of late transitioning men who decide to identify as women in middle age, having already fathered several children.

waterlego6064 · 26/10/2018 07:55

Yes Random, that’s my understanding.

Scrumplestiltskin · 26/10/2018 07:53

Yeah, other species are irrelevant to humans.
But at the end of the day - what is the biological reason reproductive sex exists?
REPRODUCTION.
So what reproductive role do intersex people play? None? That's because they're not a third or fourth or fifth "sex", they're a mutation of one of the two sexes.

Randomusername01 · 26/10/2018 07:53

So essentially all the variations she mentions in the bottom half are examples of intersex?

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waterlego6064 · 26/10/2018 07:51

Two X chromosomes with a male heart and brain? 😆 How is that diagnosed then?

waterlego6064 · 26/10/2018 07:50

That science teacher post has been around for ages and debunked various times.

Mainly because it bangs on about other species, which has no relevance at all so humans.

QuentinWinters · 26/10/2018 07:49

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3402778-biological-sex-spectrum-research

How fish or fungi determine sex is about as relevant to humans as fish or fungi thoughts on LGBT matters.

Biology is amazing and organisms are beautifully diverse. Doesn't change the fact that humans are sexually diverse.

IdaBWells · 26/10/2018 07:49

If you find it complex a simple go-to is women don’t have penises.

Annandale · 26/10/2018 07:48

A male heart?? Is that a thing?

PyeWackets · 26/10/2018 07:47

We are sexually dimorphic mammals. Some females are orn with an intersex condition, some males are born with an intersex condition. They are still male, or female. Trans is not intersex.

Dragon3 · 26/10/2018 07:46

Search for @bowlofbabelfish on FWR, OP. She has written extensively and knowledgeably on this topic.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/10/2018 07:44

Intersex is not trans.

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