Science post on fb explaining transgender

Aspie, I too am really enjoying your posts recently. You explain your ideas so well, and you make me laugh!

Unsurprisingly the post is very much concerned with the appearance, not the function of organs.

Anything that looks like a penis is a penis and anything that looks like a vagina is a vagina. It’s all cosmetic.

Cockfighting is banned for good reason.

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actually witnessed a proper penis sword contest once

Cockfighting is banned for good reason.

You can be male because you were born female, but you have 5-alphareductase deficiency and so you grew a penis at age 12.

This is a condition affecting male sexual development. They may appear to be female but they are male. When puberty kicks in they develop male psysiology, albeit underdeveloped and infertile without assistance. There’s a village in the Dominican Republic where this condition is quite common and it is known as ‘huevos a los doce’ (testicles at age 12).

Not a great idea for TRAs to bring this one up since puberty blockers would prevent this postponed stage of development.

I mean, what if a child who is apparently a girl believes (correctly in this case) she is a boy?

Puberty blockers would prevent a natural transition to boyhood.

Found this article - relates only to early onset GD (ie from a very young age) - possible link to some studies that have shown if you born male and have a couple of older brothers you are more likely to be homosexual - people have speculated that is a mother has several pregnancies with male children, something changes with the hormones in utero.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3338001/

I am not a scientist and have only skim-read the article!

There may well be a biological cause for (at least some forms of) transgenderism. So what? That doesn't change the fact that transgender women's bodies are phenotypically male, that their bodies have undergone the effects of testosterone, that they have been socialised as males and have enjoyed all the benefits of male privilege for many years. Lots of psychological disorders have a genetic and/or biological element. A biological basis also doesn't justify it being the body that is 'wrong' and the brain 'right'. And it doesn't justify it being up to women to give up their rights to make male-borns happier.

In a pub lock in in a U.K. city I won't name,

actually witnessed a proper penis sword contest once

Somewhere at Channel 4 a MN-lurking programme commissioner is thinking ‘A penis sword contest... hmmm...’

Oh, Aspie, you are killing it of late. More power to your elbow!

you can have females be females because they lost a penis sword fighting contest

‘I lost a penis sword contest’ shouldn’t get you into a women’s prison.

That’s definitely a red flag.

These reproductive strategies aren’t a model for human beings.

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Ooh crossposted with @aspieandproud.

Some spiders and insects bite the head off the partner during copulation.

Male bedbugs forcibly penetrate the exoskeleton of the female in order to inseminate them, injuring or even killing them.

Some species of wasp paralyse catapillars and lay their eggs inside the living host to provide them with food when they hatch.

These reproductive strategies aren’t a model for human beings.

Op:
Other animals are irrelevant.
Sex is determined by the 23rd chromosome pair, which are either X and X or or X and Y.
In rare cases you can get 3 23rd chromosomes as a genetic mutation, just as Downs syndrome occurs from an extra 21st syndrome.
We wouldn't however use disorders of sexual development if we were discussing biological sex any more than we would use characteristics of people with Downs syndrome to describe normal human development.

The normal human karyotype has 22 autonsomes plus an X chromosome, and either another X chromosome or a Y chromosome. Any extra chromosome is a trisomy, or if theses more than one extra copy, a polysomy.

An extra X or Y chromosome is just as much an abnormality as an extra chromosome 13, 18 or 21. Anybody insisting an extra sex chromosome is part of a ‘sex spectrum’ is saying that Palau, Edwards and Downs syndromes aren’t abnormalities either. Sorry, there isn’t a ‘chromosome spectrum’ either.

Karyotypes that lead to infertility - as most of these do - cannot be defined as a reproductive sex by any stretch of the definition.

Not sure this is an analogy that the trans community wants to be promoting

No exactly. Lots of "cuttlefishing" memes were made when this idiotic viral post first came out. Much fun was had.

Those appropriating intersex to the trans cause need to be told, in no uncertain terms, to fuck the fuck off.

They do.

Sex is very simple. It exists for the purposes of reproduction. There are two sexes to go with the two types of gamete. There is no third sex and no third gamete. There are some developmental disorders. These have nothing to do with transgender issues.

you can have males look and act like females because they are trying to get close enough to actual females to mate with them Not sure this is an analogy that the trans community wants to be promoting

Trans isn’t intersex; and intersex isn’t a third sex.

Those appropriating intersex to the trans cause need to be told, in no uncertain terms, to fuck the fuck off.

I can help you out with clown fish. One of the unexpected benefits of MN for me, has been an insight into the biology of fucking clown fish.

Clown fish do not “change sex”. They are serial hermaphrodites, which means they are born with both male and female reproductive systems, but the female system only comes online under a specific environmental stress, ie, when the dominant female gets eaten by something. And only the dominant male brings his female bits into orbit, the rest of the clown fishes stay male.

There is no analogy there, to humans, or indeed, mammals.

A female hyena has an extremely large clitoris which looks like a penis, but she’s an example of an evolutionary quirk, not some in-between sex. Echidnas are mammals who lay eggs - but humans are not giant chickens.

Also, humans are not insects or fish, and the reproductive biology of creatures who are not human, has bearing on human biology.

Please excuse my typos! My phone doesn't like the word "femininise"!

You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but you are insensitive to androgens, and so you have a female body.
This is called AIS, androgen insensitivity syndrome. They are males who are insensitive to the androgens in the womb which develop a fetus' male reproductive and genital organs. It varies from complete insensitivity (CAIS, with a blind partial vagina, internal improperly formed testes, and clitoris,) to PAIS (partial insensitivity with ambiguous genitals, and improperly formed gonads) to MAIS (mild insensitivity with slightly feminised genitals and undescended testes.) CAIS individuals will be infertile.

You can be female because you have an X and a Y chromosome but your Y is missing the SRY gene, and so you have a female body.
This is called Swyer syndrome. It results in a male who has a female phenotype, underdeveloped uterus, and non-functioning gonads, will not experience puberty without HRT. And will be infertile.

You can be male because you have two X chromosomes, but one of your X's HAS an SRY gene, and so you have a male body.
This is very rare, and can vary from "true hermaphroditism" (people who are sexually ambiguous with both internal and external organs,) to males with small or undescended testes who are often sterile.

You can be male because you have two X chromosomes- but also a Y.
This is called Klinefelters, and again is another male syndrome. It is when a male individual with a working SRY gene has an extra X chromosome. It femininose the male body somewhat (gynecomastia, micro penis,) and can cause intellectual development issues, infertility, and other issues.

You can be female because you have only one X chromosome at all.
This is Turner syndrome. Sufferers have a female phenotype, are generally infertile, do not go through female puberty without hormonal treatment, have a short stature, webbed neck, have heart problems, and diabetes.

These are not other sexes, these are negative disorders of the male and female sex.

The world is way too weird for that shit

Is the woke equivalent of Trump saying that climate change isn't happening because the science is too confusing.

People suffering from conditions classified as 'intersex' are not 'inbetween sexes' and they are no more 'weird' than people born with any other medical condition.

However, the main problem with the argument is that unless it is believed that all trans people are either fish, mushrooms or suffering from an intersex condition, it's completely irrelevant.