Travez Perry - violent attack at high school

I think friend has something.

Why are people who describe themselves as trans so angry when someone doesn't agree with them or has a different opinion or just turning up to work and being confrontational with the manager who asked them to wear a hairnet (like every other man and woman in the kitchens)

Friend thinks instead of being treated for gender issues they should be treated for anger issues first because they all seem so angry.

Can you imagine suggesting that, on twitter? It would, of course, somehow be blamed on women.

Someone I know works with different people every shift. Probably 2 or 3 shifts per week 3-70 staff (depending on the venue) each shift for the last few years.

It is a well paid job. Definitely not minimum wage and every one there thinks it is a brilliant job that fits into their lifestyles as you can pick and choose which jobs you want.

The only time there has been any problems has been on the 2 occasions when someone with gender issues has turned up to work and refused to do the job they were being paid to do because they were trans.
Then after being threatened with going home and not earning spent the rest of the shift being complete dicks and generally causing more problems than they were worth.

Friend thinks instead of being treated for gender issues they should be treated for anger issues first because they all seem so angry. Even with people who they have never met before.

Link to PDF of the St Pete Times report on Hagan:

genderidentitywatch.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/pasco_-cross-dressing-man-sentenced-for-battery.pdf

Imagine if it wasn’t gender dysphoria that is currently dictating social policy but this gender related condition:

Koro

Koro is a culture-bound syndrome delusional disorder in which an individual has an overpowering belief that one's sex organs are retracting and will disappear, despite the lack of any true longstanding changes to the genitals. Koro is also known as shrinking penis, and it is listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The syndrome occurs worldwide, and mass hysteria of genital-shrinkage anxiety has a history in Africa, Asia, and Europe. In the United States and Europe, the syndrome is commonly known as genital retraction syndrome. The condition can be diagnosed through psychological assessment along with physical examination to rule out genuine disorders of the genitalia that could be causing true retraction.

Mechanisms

When considering the biological mechanisms and evolutionary history of koro, it is important to look at it in the larger framework of mass hysteria. While the underlying mechanisms are still poorly understood, it has been suggested that the mirror neurons play a major role in mass hysteria outbreaks. Mirror neurons, which have been found in both human and non-human primates, are neurons that fire when one performs an action and when they observe another individual performing the same action. It is hypothesized that we evolved these mechanisms to learn from observation of others, as well as to facilitate imitation. However, within mirror neurons, there is some form of inhibitory process, which prevents us from blindly mimicking every action we observe others perform. New research into this area suggests that in mass hysteria outbreaks something goes amiss in this inhibitory process.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine)

There’s clear parallels with gender dysphoria but a society which rewrote its rules because of a minority of people with this condition would be considered nuts.

Lauren Jeska (convicted of two attempted murders) is another case where the rage at having the female identity questioned resulted in extreme rage:

www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/17/jailed-transgender-fell-runner-thought-uk-athletics-was-trying-to-kill-her

And Patrick ‘Patty Lou’ Hagan, convicted of ‘misdemenour battery’ in 1999 (pictured - I can’t seem to access the news reports due to not being located in the US - perhaps a US poster could screenshot? It definitely appeared in the St Petersburg Times, 25th September 1999).

I am old and I am left wondering how people are going to cope if anything really dreadful happened.

Sometimes I think some people need to remove there head from their backsides and get over themselves and grow up.

There was a case in the US recently where a trans employee stabbed a coworker for using the wrong pronouns. Poor darling was just tired of being referred to as he and so had to stab h* to make h* point.

Of course, the defence was that the culprit was vulnerable and deserving of pity so the (female) victim deserved it to teach her a lesson.

Is anyone left wondering what this guy is going to do when he gets out into the real world if he thinks a picture and a comment he doesn't like means he thinks it acceptable to kick a girls head in.

He gets fired = Must be because he is trans= Kill the boss?

He gets a parking ticket = Must be because he is trans = Kill the traffic warden?

If a few words send him into this sort of rage.

Nothing says female like stomping on somebody's face.

If the victim really bullied Travez that will be presented as part of the defence, surely. There needs to be some evidence of bullying, and evidence that Travez tried to deal with it through the accepted routes.
This reminds me of a recent thread on AIBU, where some people thought that physical violence was an acceptable response to unacceptable language (racism in that situation). I disagree. No one has the right to physically assault another person, unless it's self defence or immediate threat of physical danger.That's something I learnt in the '90s, from an American chat show no less, and it's something I taught my children. We seem to be going backwards again.

Channeling the much missed TheBewilderness here:

THE RULES OF MISOGYNY

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified

5th rule of misogyny: WATM! [What about the Men] Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

6th rule of misogyny: Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breast feeding babies deserve punishment.

7th rule of misogyny: Women should always be grateful to men for everything.

8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad

11th rule of misogyny: Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

12th rule of misogyny: whatever women suffer from, men suffer from more.

Bold are my own choices, but could probably include a few more in this particular case too.

I find it hard to take a side and fully sympathise with the victims in this scenario.

How many words does it take before it’s OK to kick a woman’s head in then?

It never would have occurred to me to be violent toward my tormentors.

This - it just is so completely outside of anything that would come up as an idea to deal with anything.

I've never been in a fight, but repeatedly kicking someone in the head wouldn't occur to me either - unless I was trying to kill them - that's not self-defense, or even revenge. If it was either of those you'd hit a couple of times and then stop - you wouldn't repeatedly go for an area that will kill someone.

Stormwhale, it’s your female socialisation, making you find excuses for your brother. He beat the shit out of you, because you were weaker than him. Nothing that has happened in his life excuses that. Consider the number of abused women, compared to the number of violent women. Violent men are violent because they’re very good at making excuses for their behaviour and projecting the blame elsewhere. Do you beat the shit out of people weaker than you? After all, if his past can be used as an excuse, why can’t yours? I’m sorry you were abused by your brother. 💐

@DisrespectfulAdultFemale - I actually meant the two people who were attacked by the transgender individual when I said victims.

I find it hard to take a side and fully sympathise with the victims in this scenario.

There is only one victim in this scenario - the girl who had the daylights kicked out of her.

Perry's attack on the girl was not a schoolyard spat - it was attempted murder by a strongly-built male on a weaker female.

I think this is the first news story where I have felt conflicted. Of course nothing excuses violence, but bullying destroys people. It turns them into someone completely different. I saw it with my own brother. He endured years of relentless bullying and became a violent monster himself. He turned it onto me and beat the shit out of me on a regular basis at home.

I am terrified of my own dc being bullied, absolutely terrified as I know what it can do. I agree that it is no excuse whatsoever for such levels of violence, but without knowing the ins and outs of the story, I find it hard to take a side and fully sympathise with the victims in this scenario. It's just not black and white to me.

I have never been able to fully forgive my brother for what he did to me, even knowing the reasons. So I don't remove the blame completely from him, but I can see how it happened.

Like I said, this is the first case where i have felt conflicted. Perhaps that means that this individual is very clever and knows how to garner sympathy, or perhaps it is my own issues and fears interfering with my decision making abilities, but I'm struggling with this one.

I cannot believe anyone could watch that clip and still have the nerve to make excuses for that vile imitation of a human being.

It’s a bloody great bloke beating up a girl. You have to be stupid to see anything else.

Absolutely shocking. Not only the brutal, horrific attack but the fact that people are making excuses.

I hope the book gets thrown at him.

I have autism and was bullied at school. It never would have occurred to me to be violent toward my tormentors. But, then again, I am not male.

Perry, who is biologically male, tried to kill his female victim and deserves to be locked up for for attempted murder.

That's insane. Thats a man attacking, not a woman. Ive never seen any man attack anyone that violently and I've seen some terrible pub fights. He should go to prison for a very long time.