I’ve hit peak trans!

Why isn’t there more support for our views though? They’re logical, commonsensical and in no way radical! Is it just a case of whoever shouts the loudest is heard, or a fear of being labelled transphobic? Or that misogyny prevails and essentially we’re being silenced by men!?

I didn't share your views until maybe a year ago. I came here because I was curious to know why those horrible Mumsnet bigots had such a massive beef with trans people who just want to use bathrooms in which they feel safe. It was only after some reading that I gradually realised that the horrible Mumsnet bigots had some very good points, and that there are important subtleties that are not obvious at a cursory glance (or at least weren't to me). At which point I became a horrible bigot myself.

So I think all of your suggested explanations are probably true but I also think that a lot of people, like the former me, are used to being inclusive and tolerant and on the side of the oppressed, and just reflexively assume that the pro-trans position is the right one without really thinking very hard (or at all) about what they're actually signing up to.

F4 I'm not going to call you Feminist because that's one thing you are not. You are clearly a troll, so get back under your bridge. If you really cannot see the danger of any man being allowed to call himself a woman and use women's changing room and toilets, then you are either naive or plain stupid. Along with the rest of your woke brigade. If that makes me transphobic in your view, then I am proud to be so.

And thinking that women should shut up and put up with penises in spaces where they're naked makes you a raving misogynist in my books, F4, so I guess it's honours even.

Still a NO to trashing women's boundaries.

Still a NO to the gaslighting.

Still a NO to jeopardising child protection protocols.

My boundaries. Men in women's spaces, in women's faces, in women's opportunities? NO.

Peak trans for me was when I realised that women on here still believe in bogey men (in women’s clothing) in the locker room.

Do you realise how offensive you are being saying that? How insulting that is to female victims of male violence?

I guess not.

Peak trans for me was when I realised that women on here still believe in bogey men (in women’s clothing) in the locker room. It made my interest in ensuring trans rights were represented, peak. As a result of these boards (thanks ladies) you’ve converted me into a missionary aiming to protect trans people from the vile rhetoric of these boards.

Its the sum total of idiotic acceptance of misogyny on the left that peaked me. I don’t understand how we got to a situation where women are, largely, unable to express concern in the effects of proposed changes in the law or underscore failures in policy practice, without being shouted down/accused of thought crime/singled out as worthy of abuse...

I don't know what actually peaked me, but I know that Caitlyn Jenner being awarded Woman of the Year and then saying that the hardest thing about being a woman was deciding what to wear started me off. I distinctly remember being like WTAF?

It seems like all the political parties drink the Kool Aid, even WE which is disappointing.

Not completely sure as it’s been about 3 years now but the new IOC guidlines round that time got my attention. Was round about the time of Lauren Jeska and Davinia Ayrton. That’s when i started double checking certain crimes being reported in the media as being carried out by “women”.

the problem there is all the women I know are too fucking busy!

And, among the reasons we're so busy and tired - would be the inimical or downright unhelpful/hostile social structures around us. It's foul.

I think it's one of the reasons that we need clear, ethical guidance from a political party, special interest group that we can trust. An organisation that won't waste our scant time resources and effort

SarahjConnor wrote: Where does all my anger go now?

If only we had a women's political party to provide guidance on campaigns and leverage our anger and drive to improve this society around us by centring women and girls.

Peaktrans for me started on another board, which had one lone middle-aged transwoman poster. I thought she was a lovely person, everyone was very supportive. Then one day she casually remarked that she was a lesbian 😲

Rose McGowan for me. Seeing a clearly male-bodied person stand up and scream accusations of genocide at a rape survivor while she was talking in public about her rape was a real eye opener.
As was the massive social media pile on afterwards, calling her a terf and criticising her for finally losing her temper after she clearly tried to defuse the situation first.
And then finding out that she was being called transphobic because she said that trans women didn't have the same experience of puberty because they didn't get periods or grow breasts.
It was a huge wtf moment for me.

Peak trans for me was reading about Anne Ruzylo.

I have been watching R. McKinnon’s escalating peaktrans machine with interest. RM seems unable to see or stop.

I’ve also thought that a high profile TW in Olympic running, or other popular sport, might be interesting. I can’t imagine the crowds cheering if they perceive the race was unfair.

God, where to start! Having a decent and kind male mate refer to women as cis women. I am not fucking cis. Seeing a bisexual friend promote the trans agenda all the freaking time, without realising the homophobic connotations.

I don't follow much of this trans thing but I did notice an advert for sanpro yesterday where it said 'being a woman isn't always about being soft and gentle' and I found myself thinking 'actually I'm neither of those but I have a womb so thanks anyway' does this mean I'm in the foothills? 😱.

I made a list of things I could do, it helped me channel my anger. For example I rang my mps office and made an appointment to see them, it went really well and they need to know their constituents are pissed off about this. Otherwise all they hear is the rainbows and unicorns side of it, and don't get an insight into the reality of what's peaking us all

When I thought I was having a reasonable conversation with a TRA on twitter who seemed to want to listen to my opinion.

So I expressed my concern with self ID giving predatory men huge opportunity to gain access to vulnerable women and children, like my daughters.

I was just told to "stop being so hysterical".

I'm sorry but when it comes to the safety of my daughters, that concern is not hysterical.

Peaked even more when a transman told me to shut my fucking mouth, he didn't appreciate GIF-bombing him in response to his abuse  I've figured out the best way to respond to TRAs is with humour. They can't stand you ignoring their threats and you not engaging in their arguments.

Welcome to sanity! When you see it you wonder how you could have missed it before.