Poll: 52% of people consider a person who was born male and has male genitalia but identifies as a woman to be a man

Lol aspie, sounds Iike me and half term activities. Can't face it, it'll be stuffed full of kids.

Although I had plenty of friends when I was a student we tended to avoid studenty stuff. ‘Fancy going such and such a pub?’ ‘Nah, it’s full of students.’ ‘How about that gig that was advertised?’ ‘Nope, it will be full of students.’ ‘Did you go to your English tutorial?’ ‘No. Fucking students.’

I gave student politics a wide berth at university too. It seemed full of people who were doing it as the first step to becoming an MP; those who were doing it to avoid going into the real world (because our union was big and wealthy enough to have several full-time, paid posts); and blue-haired weirdos. Seems that the latter group have taken over in most places these days

I think we had a student rep, but we didn't have any time for politics at all, we were either in the lecture theatre or on a field trip up a mountain somewhere! We were also located a distance from the main campus so we didn't really have any contact with 'students'. Even course politics wise we had very close relationships with the lecturers, we'd go to them direct for any issues, we didn't really need the union.

Mine was science based course. 'Student politics' was generally seen as something that would be harmful to your career because most of the jobs in industry were in 'environmentally unfriendly' sectors

Twenty years ago I avoid student politics like the plague cos it was just nutters. They either wanted to ban all alcohol from the university campus for religious reasons or were otherwise pretty extreme in their politics.

My politics was more centred around music at that age. It carried all that sense of injustice and a community in which you could feel part of whilst you worked out who you were.

I think the decline of that part of our culture is possibly a contributor.

I think, if the students who aren't supporting this are like my kids, they just abandon student politics/societies rather than hang around and argue an opposite case.

Students with a full timetable - who tend to be the scientists, engineers etc - have less time to engage in student politics than others. I'm sure this is part of the reason for the Pomo-addled wokeness of the noises we hear from unis.

Somewhere I saw a comment that one uni has 'gender neutral' loos in the sociology dept but separate sexes in Physics. That's the other thing... the STEM side still suffers from old fashioned sexism, which they're trying to combat - so paradoxically may be more alert to discrimination against their young women. And young women who experience old fashioned sexism are liable to have a clearer view of feminist issues which others (in departments where women outnumber men) are still blissfully unaware of.

If we consider that 1 in 3, 18 to 24 year old are in full time education, there's still a lot of students who don't agree with all of this.

My kids were two of those and I'll say what I always say - they weren't turned off wokeness by a commitment to women's rights but they were turned off wokeness by the relentless misery and acute authoritarianism. I think, if the students who aren't supporting this are like my kids, they just abandon student politics/societies rather than hang around and argue an opposite case.

Re young people and students it's an indication of how much abuse women are getting in colleges if they don't conform, if a quarter of your cohort are putting themselves out there saying you are transphobic you are going to be intimidated.

At the same time we have to read this data which proposes the following conclusion:

While it is possible that a general rise in voyeuristic sexual offenses relative to other offenses may account for some of this increase, the magnitude and precise timing of the increase suggests that Target’s genderinclusion policy accounts for the bulk of it. The most likely hypothesis to explain our findings is that Target’s policy signaled to sexual offenders that voyeuristic offenses would be easier to perpetrate in their stores than elsewhere. This study demonstrates that gender-inclusion policies can bring about increased harm to women and children.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3403537-Gender-Inclusion-Policies-and-Sexual-Violence-A-Longitudinal-Analysis-of-Media-Reports-at-Target-Stores

If we consider that 1 in 3, 18 to 24 year old are in full time education, there's still a lot of students who don't agree with all of this.

It is.

Remember only 24% of 18 - 24 years buy this shit hook line and sink. For every other age group its significantly less.

If we consider that 1 in 3, 18 to 24 year old are in full time education, there's still a lot of students who don't agree with all of this.

I'm curious about how this will pan out over time for that reason.

I sent it to my Labour MP last night, I am meeting him on 3/11 to ask if he still wants to go out on a limb.....

Red - remember, TRAs would also like to ensure that no "transphobes" are in the public sector, in journalism, in teaching...it's not just the political sphere.

And the data splits out public and private, whilst there is a higher trend in public sector it's not as pronounced in proportion to the amount of brainwashing/subjugation/intimidation they have had.

Are these results being sent to all MPs?

Wow it’s great to see some proper research being done and results are striking. Most people do not believe twaw. So why are so few media outlets allowed to say this?

Red - remember, TRAs would also like to ensure that no "transphobes" are in the public sector, in journalism, in teaching...it's not just the political sphere. Now where have we seen this sort of thing before?

Hint to lurking fence-sitters: it's not GC feminists asking for discussion and debate that are following the handbook for totalitarianism

cf the wording and results of the Social Atitude survey published earlier this year (chapter 11)
www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/media/39147/bsa34_moral_issues_final.pdf

I think the questions are remarkably neutral when placed alongside the usual ‘Would you rather have a daughter than a dead son coercively assigned male at birth by Evil Terf Bastards? WELL WOULD YOU, EH?!?!’

Men don’t like cheats. Neither do women, but if a man competes against women in sport other men can call them a cheat without being dismissed as a sore loser.

Ooooh, I've just realised that this could be handy for women that didn't want to dismissed as sore losers, too !

Men don’t like cheats. Neither do women, but if a man competes against women in sport other men can call them a cheat without being dismissed as a sore loser.

Both being fair and being nice are important to how we all see society in different ways. If one or the other is neglected you risk a backlash, and the exploitation of that lack of compassion / sense of injustice.

Exactly this.

What is Impartiality?

What do you require to achieve impartiality? What is a threat to impartiality?

Langcleg, I'm a great believer that you have to see stats from a variety of angles. That includes scientific research. Rephrasing of a question or concept in a slightly different manner and then comparing the two often reveals an underlying bias or issue that's been neglected previously.

If you want to get to the heart of an issue or problem you need to be able to see it in 'three dimensions' rather than in a 'flat kind' of way.

'Being nice' can often be used to emotionally blackmail. Being fair can equally be manipulative and be rather cold hearted.

If you understand that the value that's more important to a group is one or another, you can pull their strings to a certain extent.

Personally I believe you should explore from both angles as it helps to remove that political manipulation and allow people to consider the idea more critically and freely.

Both being fair and being nice are important to how we all see society in different ways. If one or the other is neglected you risk a backlash, and the exploitation of that lack of compassion / sense of injustice.

We need to send this to every MP in the country.

Barracker - thanks for those figures. It really is only a tiny minority.

Its fascinating to see in the sports question that the idea of 'being nice' suddenly appears to be less important, because the idea of 'being fair' seems to be more important.

Red - I think you've hit on something important here. There's very definitely a degree of support among the youngest demographic to support a larger concept but it's soft - not just soft, it evaporates very strongly when faced with practical consequences.

I think this is very encouraging.