You couldn't make this up - Julie Bindle no platformed at @truth2powercafe

*FloralBunting

Well, yes, that's the big takeaway for me. 'Speaking truth to power' sounds splendid while you're visualizing yourself as a brave neo-warrior in arty pose.*

The problem with ‘speaking truth to power’ is it gives a get-out clause for groups that are seen as ‘oppressed’.

They’re not in power so why speak truthfully to them?

This happened with the refusal to call out paedophilia among a minority of homosexuals and it’s happened in places like Rotherham where authorities turned a blind eye to the abuse of young girls.

There’s no virtue in being oppressed. It doesn’t cancel out the choices you make.

Not at all Bowl, I just like to find the answers where possible, twas aways thus!

No news from the NUS about Jess Bradley's suspension as Trans Officer following allegations of flashing etc. its way past the NUS timescale for disciplinary decisions etc.

Rose of Dawn has been tenacious in her determination to keep on at the NUS.

There have been some updates to the still running thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

Can he really have publicly admitted to knowing about and not reporting paedophillia?

Wasn’t that what ended Milo Yiannopoulos 15 minutes of fame? Admitting he attended a party where someone had sex with a 15 year old and didn’t report it.

You’re a walking encyclopaedia :)

Its like an episode of the Young Ones... .

Amused at the irony though - does a pattern account count as working I wonder...?

Talking of Jess Bradley - what’s happening with the NUS investigation?

From Julie Bindel's twitter thread, apparently its Ukranian anarchist flag.

"The flag of Makhnovia, an attempted anarchist state in Southeastern Ukraine during the Russian civil war. The text in Ukrainian reads "Death to all who stand in the way of the working people"

twitter.com/bindelj/status/1054789248942071809

Bowl Is it a different image to the one I shared?

How very peculiar. I can’t find the image with the flag with the Russian text one any more... can anyone find it?

Hmmm I still can’t read the text. I wonder what it says?

I'm not sure about this being Bradley, look at the eyes. He was named as someone else on another thread.

Yes, please see my comment upthread.
It seems widely accepted now that this isn't JB.

Ignore me. I’m getting confused with the one protesting in Manchester recently.

Looks like the person in the video blocking the entrance to a meeting from earlier in the year. The one that stopped Julie Bindell getting in.

I'm not sure about this being Bradley, look at the eyes. He was named as someone else on another thread.

Can someone provide a clearer picture of the tweet of Jess Bradley holding two fingers up? The trans flag on the right obscuring the person’s eyes - I can see the word смерть which means death in Russian. What does it say underneath that?

@Bowlofbabelfish

Clearly PT doesn't give a shit about 9 year old kids having sex with adults either.

How the fuck did he get away with that shit, dressing it up as some kind of academic studies shite?

1997 was literally yesterday, we all knew it was as wrong then as it is now. Fucking disgraceful but whatever right because he did so much for the gay community.

According to a past twitter quote from the poet with a penis she can't believe there is anyone "who doesn't like dick".
Well, Lesbians and Hetrosexual men seems to spring to mind but anyway it seems the future isn't female but intersectional....

at least I hope what I said came across as honest disagreement rather than personally attacking him.

Absolutely it did. It was my poor wording that implied otherwise. Apologies.

I've never seen that PT letter before. Blimey. I knew he was criticized for publishing an essay in a book that turned out to be edited or published by a pie person, but I thought that was back in the 70s when pie was a thing. The 1997 letter shows how much has changed in public understandings of child abuse. I assume (hope) that was a minority opinion even then. If there had been Twitter in 1997! But it shows how some changes in attitude are imperceptible while you live through them. He is much creepier than I knew.

don I think we’re both saying the same thing- at least I hope what I said came across as honest disagreement (with Tatchell’s views on the TRA agenda and trans-generational sex, ie adults abusing children) rather than personally attacking him.
Tatchell’s got a lot of fantastic qualities but I now see that not all of his politics is politics that I agree with and I wish he would be a lot more open about his views when asked. I don’t get why he doesn’t own it if he’s believes it, or maybe he doesn’t believe it in which case he should speak up. He’s a great human rights campaigner but with some major, cant-get-past-them political flaws IMO.

critiquing someone baselessly which I am not doing either

Indeed, I certainly agree with the criticism.

My post should have said 'a danger of'. The way it's written implies more than I meant.

I was trying to make a general point about the distinction between honest disagreement and the AWAs who launch personal attacks.

That said I was clearly wrong to apply that to Tatchell. Can he really have publicly admitted to knowing about and not reporting paedophillia?

It's interesting looking at that list to see who's stood firm and who's been squashed.
Finn Mackay wouldn't sign something like that today.

Re. Peter Tatchell - in 2015 he signed this letter to the Guardian about censorship, along with a large number of academics, including Mary Beard:

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2015/feb/14/letters-censorship

Due to a huge pile-on from transactivists, he and Beard ended up recanting, both publishing statements accordingly.

don I don’t think it’s demonising anyone (which sounds like making them a hate figure which I am not doing or critiquing someone baselessly which I am not doing either) to point it out when they support a radically anti-women agenda.

Tatchell was a hero of mine for decades until that TRA GIRES blog post and indeed I had hoped that Tatchell, as a through and through supporter of gay rights AND free speech, with a significant amount of public support and affection based on what he has achieved, would see this TRA shit show for what it is and publicly call it out.

But no. He’s in support of this TRA agenda. And is seemingly averse to commenting further on the misogyny of this agenda- which is most odd for someone of his personal bravery. Unless he actively agrees with it, of course.

As I posted above, there is still much to admire in his work to support gay rights which a lot of people have benefited from (and which Tatchell himself has undoubtedly personally suffered for).

WTF though... that letter about joyful sex between adults and 9-11 year olds from Tatchell. That is a horrendous whitewash of abuse on children. I didn’t know about that letter before now.

Ok. I suppose it could be anyone wearing a mask... ;)

I’m interested in whatcthe text says though...

Bowl It is disputed that its JB.

See discussion on thread from earlier in the summer & Posie Parker's comment
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA?pg=9#prettyPhoto/0/

Can someone provide a clearer picture of the tweet of Jess Bradley holding two fingers up? The trans flag on the right obscuring the person’s eyes - I can see the word смерть which means death in Russian. What does it say underneath that?