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Butterfly - Feedback from ITV to email complaint

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ShineyNewName5032 · 24/10/2018 13:21

As many on here have noted Butterfly is possibly one of the most controversial topics covered on ITV. I wrote to express my concerns this is the response:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your email concerning ITV’s new drama series Butterfly.

The producers consulted with senior clinical psychologists as well as the charity Mermaids. Most importantly, they spoke to families and children about their own lived experiences. The programme does not “promote” Mermaids, although the charity is depicted in a handful of scenes across three episodes. It depicts the family being advised by a range of different professionals, and indeed being offered a range of different advice, both in this country and the United States.

We do not consider that the drama is irresponsible or could “lead to more suicides”. The drama depicts a nuanced and complex story of an unhappy child, whose feelings are increasingly distressing, and which are leading to self-harming. This reflects the lived experience of some young people who are not comfortable in their assigned gender, but we do not suggest that Maxine represents all young people in this situation. It is clear that our fictional families’ problems are complex, as Maxine’s parents both clearly wish to protect their child, but cannot agree on the best course of action, and this conflict is itself shown to be damaging to Maxine’s wellbeing.

Nevertheless, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie
Viewer Services Supervisor

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OldCrone · 25/10/2018 13:30

Is that reply to me, Feminist4? I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, it was a general comment, which is why I said 'a boy'. That means any boy, and doesn't refer to any particular person.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 13:24

Don't call my daughter a he. She is a trans woman. Your attitude is harmful and disgraceful.

OldCrone · 25/10/2018 13:15

Feminist4
If that article shows anything, it's that, statistically, there may be some small difference in a small part of the brain in transgender identified people compared to those who do not identify as transgender.

This does not answer the question of how a boy can 'feel like a girl'. He might be unhappy with his body. He might be unhappy with the expectations society places on him as a boy. But he cannot 'feel like a girl', because he is not a girl. What does it even mean to 'feel like a girl'?

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 13:11

I think you mean the posters on this message board are the same old bla bla

littlbrowndog · 25/10/2018 13:05

Haha you still banging on f4
Never bring an argument to here.
Just same old same old blah blah blah blah

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 13:00

is exactly this type of thinking and comparison that I deplore and find disgraceful prejudice against trans people.

Avegemitesandwich · 25/10/2018 12:59

What if someone claims to be trans and dresses as a woman, thinks they should be allowed to use the women's changing rooms, wants to be able to change their sex on their birth certificate, the whole nine yards, but then a brain scan shows that they are just a bog standard bloke?

RiverTam · 25/10/2018 12:49

indeed, it is simply not possible to know how another body feels. So why is this feeling accepted as truth?

Again, how can a boy know how a girl's body feels? You're stating it as a fact, so back it up please.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 12:47

How could I know how a transgender girl feels - and how can you?

OrchidInTheSun · 25/10/2018 12:43

What does feeling like a girl fee like Fem? I've been one my whole life and I can't tell you

RiverTam · 25/10/2018 12:43

but you still haven't explained how a boy can feel like a girl.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 12:41

I think there is a big difference between feeling like a girl and occasionally dressing as a girl. It's clear that many posters on here can't distinguish the two though.

Mrskeats · 25/10/2018 12:22

Spot on sirvix

PerfPower · 25/10/2018 12:03

SirVix Exactly! Parent of trans child buys into gender stereotypes - shock. (And it's more fitting for a female poster to be called 'Bernard' then someone with Feminist's views calling themselves Feminist.)

SirVixofVixHall · 25/10/2018 11:36

I find it very telling that the most ardent proponent of transing children on here objects to a poster’s user name as not being feminine enough for a woman.

VickyEadie · 25/10/2018 11:14

It never takes all that long before people accusing FWR Mnetters of ''transphobia' resort to ad hominem attacks and name-calling, along with the absolute inability to produce any statistics or evidence to support their claims.

Melamin · 25/10/2018 10:56

I don't think so melamin

You obviously do not recognise dysfunction in families.

OldCrone · 25/10/2018 10:51

There are three ways of looking at this issue. The programme only covers two of them.

Butterfly - Feedback from ITV to email complaint
IFeelSorryForMillie · 25/10/2018 10:47

Feminist4 so are you saying gender stereotypes are the way to go? and a child who displays the oppersite stereotype to thier sex, needs to "transition" to be able to wear/do the stereotypes.

Or are you saying gender stereotypes are bad, and a child should be able to display the oppersite gender stereotypes?

OldCrone · 25/10/2018 10:47

Many trans children feel alienatated from their own parents who refuse to accept what their child is going through. I think Butterfly reflected both types of parent in one family.

What do you mean by 'accept what their child is going through'? Both parents were well aware that their child was very troubled. They just seemed to have a different view of what action should be taken. Neither of them took the view of many of us on here, that the child should have been allowed to express himself as he wanted to.

We have both parents saying there is only one way to be a boy. The mother thinks that if the boy doesn't behave like a stereotypical boy, then he is really a girl. The father says that he should behave like a stereotypical boy and bullies him to try to make him change. Neither of them is saying that he's fine just the way he is - a boy with stereotypically girlish interests.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 10:41

I don't think so melamin

Melamin · 25/10/2018 10:39

Butterfly reflected a very dysfunctional family with lots of problems and portrayed them all as ingrained stereotypes, clutching for an answer that is not the answer to their problems but will smooth them over with a nice sparkly veneer.

Feminist4 · 25/10/2018 10:35

MrsKcastle, I think it showed the attitude of many parents. Nobody wants their child to be transgender as it is an awful journey and they face huge amounts of abuse. People are beginning to accept transgender people, but stereotypes remain - as on this board. Many trans children feel alienatated from their own parents who refuse to accept what their child is going through. I think Butterfly reflected both types of parent in one family.

AspieAndProud · 25/10/2018 10:25

Researchers trying to study the use of psychedelics in the treatment of PTSD are being hampered because they are illegal even when they are relatively harmless.

If I wanted to put a new painkiller on the market I’d have to do clinical trials even if the drug was available for the treatment of other conditions.

Yet we can put drugs designed for other uses into prepubescent children without knowing the long term consequences.

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