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Butterfly - Feedback from ITV to email complaint

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ShineyNewName5032 · 24/10/2018 13:21

As many on here have noted Butterfly is possibly one of the most controversial topics covered on ITV. I wrote to express my concerns this is the response:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your email concerning ITV’s new drama series Butterfly.

The producers consulted with senior clinical psychologists as well as the charity Mermaids. Most importantly, they spoke to families and children about their own lived experiences. The programme does not “promote” Mermaids, although the charity is depicted in a handful of scenes across three episodes. It depicts the family being advised by a range of different professionals, and indeed being offered a range of different advice, both in this country and the United States.

We do not consider that the drama is irresponsible or could “lead to more suicides”. The drama depicts a nuanced and complex story of an unhappy child, whose feelings are increasingly distressing, and which are leading to self-harming. This reflects the lived experience of some young people who are not comfortable in their assigned gender, but we do not suggest that Maxine represents all young people in this situation. It is clear that our fictional families’ problems are complex, as Maxine’s parents both clearly wish to protect their child, but cannot agree on the best course of action, and this conflict is itself shown to be damaging to Maxine’s wellbeing.

Nevertheless, thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie
Viewer Services Supervisor

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OldCrone · 24/10/2018 23:32

Where's the hatred Feminist4? One of the reasons I post here is because I fear that there will be thousands of young people in this generation who have been swept along on this tide who will regret doing so when they are older. The modifications to their bodies are irreversible and many of them will be left sterile and mutilated. Is that hatred?

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:30

Lol cock
I really don’t think our views are in the minority.
Most people feel sterilising children is wrong.

cockblocker · 24/10/2018 23:27

Feminist4 - also, size isn't everything...

cockblocker · 24/10/2018 23:26

Feminist4 - that's very kind of you. And I trust we will be welcome to also post our views on the TRA sites?

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 23:20

Nobody is being erased. That seems to be your fear - based on tittle tattle. I'm here on these boards so young women trans or not, who stray into this web of hatred, see that there is another point of view and your views only represent a tiny minority.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:13

Yep orchid puts it v succinctly.
It must be v hard to be a young lesbian or gay man currently. They are being erased.

OldCrone · 24/10/2018 23:11

Totally agree, OrchidInTheSun.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:09

I’ve looked at your posting history so I don’t really understand what you are after here feminist. Many people disagree with you and that’s not changing.

OldCrone · 24/10/2018 23:09

I think it is for the child, the family and the experts to decide what is best - not the people on these boards.

We are allowed to have an opinion, though.

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 23:08

I have and I did.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:08

Experts like Dr Webberley?

OldCrone · 24/10/2018 23:07

I think someone has been misleading you about transgendertrend, Feminist4. You should take a look for yourself and make your own mind up.

OrchidInTheSun · 24/10/2018 23:07

Transing children is homophobic. Children express their dissatisfaction and distress at rigid gender roles by saying they want to be the other sex because it's the only vocabulary they have.

The more we force children to fit those stereotypes, the more children will rebel against them. It's no coincidence that in an era where there are ever more strictly patrolled limits to masculinity and femininity that we are seeing an explosion in trans identifying children.

Telling our children they can break free of those bounds is the right thing to do - not pedalling lifelong drugs and supporting mutilation

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 23:07

Oldcrone, I think it is for the child, the family and the experts to decide what is best - not the people on these boards.

OldCrone · 24/10/2018 23:05

I didn't think for one minute it shows the mother taking her son for hormone blockers for "playing with dolls" is quite clearly shows that he is unhappy in his body and has caused physical damage to himself, not just dressing up and playing with girls toys.

What sort of treatment do you think a child in this situation needs, bourbonbiccy?

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:05

No this is nasty

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:04

You think marketing these to 4 year olds is ok too?

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 23:03

It is. No transgender person would ever visit that website. It has been created to persuade people that trans rights should not be given. It is a nasty place.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 23:00

Lol. Seriously feminist it really isn’t.
This is quite worrying now.

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 22:58

Prawn, I won't read anything on Transgender trends. It's a hate website against trans people.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 22:56

Thank god you turned up prawn
Was searching for those stats.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 24/10/2018 22:55

But it does pass, Feminist4. Most (70-90%) gender dysphoric children grow out of it by the time they reach puberty. See this summary article.

Unless, that is, children are put on puberty blockers. In one report, every one of the patients on the blocker persisted while 90.3% of those not on the blocker desisted. Either clinicians have semi divine powers of insight or the blocker itself strongly affected the outcome for the child. This drug is not the neutral reversible intervention that was claimed...

Puberty blockers are far from harmless or benign. They sterilize kids, they halt the essential brain maturation of puberty and reduce IQ by 8-10 points (average IQ is 100 so as much as 10%). They direct children down a route of becoming lifelong medical patients. Grim stuff.

Feminist4 · 24/10/2018 22:55

Bernard, It has been shown that everyone craves to be accepted. Loneliness is terrible for people. Many on this board enjoy being part of a group who have the same views. It's human nature. Transgender people suffer horribly from rejection and abuse. It's entirely understandable.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 22:53

I agree the make up was crazy. I know not one 11 year old who looks like that anyway.

Mrskeats · 24/10/2018 22:51

And the challenges of women who are now being faced with sharing spaces with male bodies. But hey the trans card trumps all.